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and ignorance about ignorance is...entertaining.

Not in a Platonian context. Socrates realized he didn't know, but he wasn't ignorant. Ignorance is a couple of steps further than not knowing in that context.

Actually, being knowlegable about ignorance is pretty funny too.

Plato and Socrates...heehee.

Ignorance is also quoting so that your responses are in the box that makes them look like the words are from the person you're responding to (e.g. posts #3 and #6).  At least, it's an example of ignorance if it's done because the person is a noob and doesn't know any better.  If the person does know better and does it just to confuse matters, then it's not ignorance, it's just a case of being a jerk.

Nah, just false modesty.  

I believe in the Platonian context recognizing that which you are ignorant of is considered a form of wisdom, not so much a lack of ignorance.

In the context of the original discussion, however, the focus was more on what isn't ignorance -- in this case the refusal to acknowledge or accept a correction to what you had previously been ignorant about.

More to the point, by virtue of having been corrected you can no longer claim ignorance, only feign it.

Now pedantry..., that's another topic altogether. 

"Ignorance may be conveniently divided by the legislator into two sorts: there is simple ignorance, which is the source of lighter offences, and double ignorance, which is accompanied by a conceit of wisdom; and he who is under the influence of the latter fancies that he knows all about matters of which he knows nothing." - Plato

Arguably, the second definition may apply for items 3 and 4.

From what I understand, recognizing that you don't know anything at all in doxa is where you step out of ignorance, and where wisdom starts. (He calls it "human wisdom," not "wisdom," because it's not actually knowledge or understanding of truth, but just your understanding of how far you are away from it).

That's because every single, little claim of knowledge brings a whole set of claims, which can be revealed by Socratic discussion. (Like, you say A, and Socrates makes you realize you also need to say B to be able to say A etc.)

I want to have the option to play e.p.-free chess on chess.com. E.P. IS CHEATING!!!111!!111!!

I am admittedly out of my element here, but I struggle with the notion that recognizing one's own ignorance of a subject effectively makes one no longer ignorant about that subject.

One can be ingorant of one's ignorance, and certainly recognizing the ingorance about which you were previously ignorant means that you are no longer ignorant of that ignorance, but the underlying ingorance itself remains, no?

If common usage drives the meaning of words, then from my experience ignorance could also mean a stubborn refusal to see or acknowledge ones error even when it is obvious. It is not that an individual is unaware of the truth, he just won't acknowledge it because he doesn't want to admit he is wrong.

What do you think?

I don't know -- it frustrates me when obstinacy gets labeled as ignorance because I still read the word ignorant as it's dictionary definition, and as a result, as at least partially excusable -- i.e. "they couldn't help it -- they didn't know any better".  Obstinacy, on the other hand, is truly the domain of jerks.

You can be ignorant as the result of not being exposed to information. In another case, you are exposed to the information but can't use it because you are stupid. You can be functionally stupid by lacking cognitive abililty or a personality that interferes with using what cognitive ability you do possess (a jerk).

Perhaps the OP is ignorant, stupid and a jerk?

[I edited to better incorporate the jerk aspect]

I think the key distinction is between can't use it (stupid) and won't us it (obstinate).

 I know right?? There's these people that hack the system so their king moves 2 spaces. I meah wtf? plus when my opponent "checkmated" me i tried to move my king 2 spaces and it didn't work. explain please!

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Andy's son.

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