what are you all arguing about?? white wins the game and i can prove that to any of you with any move you will play for black. so stop saying something without thinking what it does.
I'm loving the fact that all this contention and discussion is over a game played by little old me...
Best bet is submit a draw and have an early night.
Ok you have given up on 2...Rxp, don't know what your 3. QxR QxQ was all about?!
In your last line, after 2...Rh8 instead of 3.Qh1ch, someone as already mentioned 3.Rd3 as better keeping control of g4, so you can try find a defence in that line. See for example chessplayerforlife's post above.
There is also macand's line 2...Rh8 3.h6, threatening Qh5 mate 3...Rxp etc. So think quite a lot of evidence white is winning.
Is this the better line?
what do you think about this continuation: 3.h6!(I'm threating to mate 4.Qh5 Qh4 5.Qxh4#) Rxh6 4.Qh1 Kg4 5.Qxh6 dxe3 6.Kg2 dxf2 7.Rh1 f1Q 8.Rxf1 and I think white is winning
3.h6! Rxh6!
I mean no checkmate
what are you all arguing about?? white wins the game and i can prove that to any of you with any move you will play for black. so stop saying something without thinking what it does.
Then prove it, and don't let black make silly moves which don't prevent the "forced" (as you claimed) checkmate. What if the queen takes the queen at h4, perhaps you should continue from there and show us how to force the mate.
I'm not necessarily trying to prove that I'm right, but very interested in learning how to force a checkmate from the position.
EDIT: A little example:
Qh1 is a blunder!
Rd3!
The winning line is definitely 1.Qf3+ Kh3 2.h5!
But don't blame yourself, it was hard to find. Fritz found a mate in 21 !!
Thanks for sharing.
8... Rb8! 9.b3! (Rh1?? Rxb2+)
Well Jelleg you might be right but your moves do not follow what murderotica showed in his diagram. The move after Rh8 is Rd3. Then Rf8 might be what you are suggesting. Then white would play Qe2
if 4 ...Rf4 then 5. f3 Rxf3 6. Qxf3 Rb8 7. Rd2 Rxb2 8. Rxb2 dxc3 9. Rh2#
if 4 ... Be6 then 5. f4 Rxf4 6. gxf4+ Kh4 7.Qh2+ Kg4 8. Qh3+ Kxf4 9.Qf3#
if 4 ...Nb4 then 5. cxb4 Rg8 6. f4 Rxg3+ 7. Qg2+ Kh4 8. Rxg3 Kxh5 9. Rg5+ Kh6 10. Qh2+ Bh3 11. Qxh3#
I saw this weird version on a chess engine :D
I can't seem to see any flaws to his variation but I'm not a very good players so I looked up on a chess engine and it seems no matter what you do it's a forced mate.
I'm curious about whoever said Fritz found a mate in21? Was that after countless hours of calculation?
I can't say I blame you for taking the draw I would quite lekely have done the same. Some of those variations are hard to calculate sometimes. I don't think I would have ever seen h5 being a good move after Qf3+ :D. At least you could get a draw out of it!
Well Jelleg you might be right but your moves do not follow what murderotica showed in his diagram. The move after Rh8 is Rd3. Then Rf8 might be what you are suggesting. Then white would play Qe2
if 4 ...Rf4 then 5. f3 Rxf3 6. Qxf3 Rb8 7. Rd2 Rxb2 8. Rxb2 dxc3 9. Rh2#
if 4 ... Be6 then 5. f4 Rxf4 6. gxf4+ Kh4 7.Qh2+ Kg4 8. Qh3+ Kxf4 9.Qf3#
if 4 ...Nb4 then 5. cxb4 Rg8 6. f4 Rxg3+ 7. Qg2+ Kh4 8. Rxg3 Kxh5 9. Rg5+ Kh6 10. Qh2+ Bh3 11. Qxh3#
I saw this weird version on a chess engine :D
I can't seem to see any flaws to his variation but I'm not a very good players so I looked up on a chess engine and it seems no matter what you do it's a forced mate.
I'm curious about whoever said Fritz found a mate in21? Was that after countless hours of calculation?
I can't say I blame you for taking the draw I would quite lekely have done the same. Some of those variations are hard to calculate sometimes. I don't think I would have ever seen h5 being a good move after Qf3+ :D. At least you could get a draw out of it!
But instead of playing 3.Rd3 can white play:
3.h6!? Rxh6 4.Qh1+ Kg4 5.Qxh6 exd3 6.Kg2 exf2 7.Rh1 f1Q+ 8.Rxf1 and after 9.Rf6 or 9.Rh1 I think this mating net should lead to victory for white.
Qf3 and G4! # you totally missed this move.. :P
in summary, draw.
1.Qf3+ Kh6 2.h5! Rd6! 3.h6!! Rxh6 4.Qh1+ Kg4 5.Qxh6 dxe3 6.Kg2! exf2 7.Rf1 f1=Q+ 8.Rxf1
in summary, draw.
I do not agree!
Rd6 is not a draw
Again: 1.Qf3+ Kh6 2.h5! Rd6! 3.h6!! Rxh6 4.Qh1+ Kg4 5.Qxh6 dxe3 6.Kg2! exf2 7.Rf1 f1=Q+ 8.Rxf1
Is this the better line?
what do you think about this continuation: 3.h6!(I'm threating to mate 4.Qh5 Qh4 5.Qxh4#) Rxh6 4.Qh1 Kg4 5.Qxh6 dxe3 6.Kg2 dxf2 7.Rh1 f1Q 8.Rxf1 and I think white is winning