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ajl721x wrote:

We have already answered your question, yet you seem to not understand despite us rephrasing it. Hence, we describe it as "trolling". If you have a problem with it, I wish you good day. It's not our obligation to shill out the 6 move line for c3.

 

Is that a passive aggressive way to say "6 moves"? Why can't you just say that without the attitude?

Bakaboy69

I would go rook e1 to trap the bishop

chamo2074

@Trytoguessmyrating PS: I think this is probably a troll thread)

Calculation implies several long sequences of moves, it's not about 3 moves where you can't see anything concrete. What @Gameofpawns is trying to say is that c3 blocks the bishop from the e1 square and simply traps the bishop. When a3 MIGHT achieve the same, why would you play it, it's over complicated and implies the move Ba6, which could get the piece back with logical but not the best play.

NumberOfMovesDeep
chamo2074 wrote:

@Trytoguessmyrating PS: I think this is probably a troll thread)

Calculation implies several long sequences of moves, it's not about 3 moves where you can't see anything concrete. What @Gameofpawns is trying to say is that c3 blocks the bishop from the e1 square and simply traps the bishop. When a3 MIGHT achieve the same, why would you play it, it's over complicated and implies the move Ba6, which could get the piece back with logical but not the best play.

 

I agree, how many moves would that take though to reach the conclusion c3 is better? You are explaining why it is better, but you aren't stating how many moves. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6?

chamo2074

No but I don't even calculate a3 because it obviously over complicates it

chamo2074

It takes one thing to notice

NumberOfMovesDeep

One move does not make mate. You have to think of 2 sequential moves at the least. If you noticed something you noticed something that would take more than a white move and a black move. Why is this so hard to state?

chamo2074

Look, if you can win a queen in two ways, one where your opponent might be able to save it, and one where there is no way to save it, wouldn't you pick the latter? Why calculate if you're sure?

NumberOfMovesDeep
chamo2074 wrote:

Look, if you can win a queen in two ways, one where your opponent might be able to save it, and one where there is no way to save it, wouldn't you pick the latter? Why calculate if you're sure?

 

I am asking though how do you know you are sure? I don't see how you can be sure unless you reason out the moves one by one 6 moves deep. Is there a principle you can follow?

 

I will outline my thinking process and give numbers related to depth of black and white where each conclusion could be drawn related to both black's bishops and white's knight. At different points different realizations come up, and then a final decision based on all of these is reached 6 moves deep to understand why c3 is better than a3.

 

 

s_sajwani123

For the moves followup after c3 (as I shared), I see it's 3-4 moves

NumberOfMovesDeep

@samsajwani123

 

So you are saying you would realize c3 is better at move 13 or 14 by white as shown in the diagram below? (Thank you also for finally giving me a number to work with thumbup.png).

 

 

chamo2074

Yes but you aren't really calculating, it's much simpler in this case.

You see the line you pointed out and then you consider a3, you see that in the a3 line they have Ba6, you see that it's too complicated, you stop, and you decide that c3 is a simpler win. So you play c3

chamo2074
TryToGuessMyRating wrote:

@samsajwani123

 

So you are saying you would realize c3 is better at moves 13 or 14 by white as shown in the diagram below? (Thanks also for finally giving me a number to work with).

 

 

No, but you can't take it that way, it;s not every line you can calculate 3 or 4 moves!!!

NumberOfMovesDeep
chamo2074 wrote:

Yes but you aren't really calculating, it's much simpler in this case.

You see the line you pointed out and then you consider a3, you see that in the a3 line they have Ba6, you see that it's too complicated, you stop, and you decide that c3 is a simpler win. So you play c3

 

The implies you are calculating moves out. Please give a number, if different, like samsajwani123 did.

chamo2074

I don;t even know why I am trying, I knew this guy was a troll I just wanted to have some fun. I'm frustrated now goodbye

NumberOfMovesDeep
chamo2074 wrote:
TryToGuessMyRating wrote:

@samsajwani123

 

So you are saying you would realize c3 is better at moves 13 or 14 by white as shown in the diagram below? (Thanks also for finally giving me a number to work with).

 

 

No, but you can't take it that way, it;s not every line you can calculate 3 or 4 moves!!!

 

Why are you speaking for samsajwani123? I was asking them.

chamo2074
TryToGuessMyRating wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:

Yes but you aren't really calculating, it's much simpler in this case.

You see the line you pointed out and then you consider a3, you see that in the a3 line they have Ba6, you see that it's too complicated, you stop, and you decide that c3 is a simpler win. So you play c3

 

The implies you are calculating moves out. Please give a number, if different, like samsajwani123 did.

A number of whattt

NumberOfMovesDeep
chamo2074 wrote:

I don;t even know why I am trying, I knew this guy was a troll I just wanted to have some fun. I'm frustrated now goodbye

 

I am not trolling, I asked for a number. You seem to be riled by the question. That isn't my fault.

chamo2074

WHAT NUMBER!!??

NumberOfMovesDeep
chamo2074 wrote:
TryToGuessMyRating wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:

Yes but you aren't really calculating, it's much simpler in this case.

You see the line you pointed out and then you consider a3, you see that in the a3 line they have Ba6, you see that it's too complicated, you stop, and you decide that c3 is a simpler win. So you play c3

 

The implies you are calculating moves out. Please give a number, if different, like samsajwani123 did.

A number of whattt

 

Number of moves in the line. There are 1-6 moves for white. If need be, we could extend that to 11 to include black and white moves if it matters.