HOW DID I LOSE!

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Freddie_Confident

this is a game I played against a friend of mine a good 200 points higher than me and I had an honest draw/win and I mucked it up!

Please could people look at it and tell me what I should of played....ahhhh i am so annoyed!

Freddie_Confident

yes but I definitly had a draw didnt I...I am not going to forgive myself for this ahhhhhhhhhhh

Freddie_Confident

oh right really that suprises me because I thought I had a draw!

Loomis

I think on move 36 you have to recognize that white's attack is stronger than black's. White can involve the queen, bishop, and at least one rook in the attack. Black does not have that many attacking pieces. Black does have three extra pawns, so if he just defends the attack and finally develops the last two pieces, he can have a better position. So perhaps 36. ... Qd5 intending to go to d7 and defend is better than trying to continue the attack with 36. ... f4.

dmeng
Zug wrote:

Freddie,

You should have exchanged your knight for the Bishop on g3.  After it got to e5, you were positionally compromised.  After that, you proceeded to put all your pawns on the same color square as your bishop, and that is just a positional no-no.

As far as I am concerned, you were positionally lost by move 27.  The mate on your king around e7 did not surprise me at all.

Regards, Mike Petersen (Zug)


I know that Zug is probably a good 1000 points higher than me in real life, but I also understand what he's getting at here. hypertroll's bishop covered a lot more ground than your knight, and it definitely would have been best to trade them off before that bishop parked on e5, where it was extremely powerful.

As Zug indirectly pointed out, your pawns needed to be on the opposite color of your bishop. Even though hypertroll's bishop was also on the same color as his pawns, his bishop was in front of them, where it could get to key places. Your bishop was stuck behind the pawns, where it couldn't do anything. On that note, I think your 25th move was a mistake, since it let hypertroll get in c5 and shut in your bishop almost completely.

On move 33, you definitely weren't winning. What were you going to win with? The queen was the only piece you had active, and one-piece attacks almost never work. If you took any time to bring another piece (the g8 rook, for example), hypertroll would be able to run away, and then you have even bigger problems to work with, namely his attack, which would definitely have been stronger.

As for your comment on move 37, I don't think you had a draw. Just think about what happens after 37. ...Qe3+ 38. Bf2. You then run out of checks, and as soon as hypertroll takes the e-file with the rook (as what happened), you're dead.

dmeng
Loomis wrote:

I think on move 36 you have to recognize that white's attack is stronger than black's. White can involve the queen, bishop, and at least one rook in the attack. Black does not have that many attacking pieces. Black does have three extra pawns, so if he just defends the attack and finally develops the last two pieces, he can have a better position. So perhaps 30. ... Qd5 intending to go to d7 and defend is better than trying to continue the attack with 30. ... f4.


Your last sentence doesn't make any sense. Black's queen is already on d5, and the move was g4, not f4.

Loomis

Sorry, I had my move numbers off, move 36 instead of move 30.

dmeng
Loomis wrote:

Sorry, I had my move numbers off, move 36 instead of move 30.


Okay, that makes much more sense. Yeah, I'd say that you're mostly right, but I think that Black still has trouble holding a draw.

phmilet

After the forced 29. ... Bc8, white is certainly much better. The black rook at a8 and the black bishop barely play, and not likely to do so anytime soon.

Now 30. f3?! doesn't sound right, precisely because of 30. ... g5!, and black's gotten himself some counterplay. The calm 30. Re1 seems much more sound to me. There's no reason to rush, because the queen (that needs to defend c6) is going nowhere.

If instead of f4 you had played 36 ... Rh8, I believe you would have a winning game. With a three pawn advantage and no clear tactics for white, Black could (if necessary) play a Qd5, connect his rooks and cruise to a winning endgame.

And finally, after 40. Qd5, I'd say a 40. ... g3!? gets you going for a little longer, but the position is already inferior. Opens the g4-square for the queen to defend the rook and the e6-pawn: 41. hxg3 Qg4 42. Qf6 Rf7 43. Qe5 +/- .

joe7777

next time use a bot

mnag

If Black realizes that he is positionally lost by move 27 (posted by Zug and I agree with him), I think Black can draw with 36. ... g3 if 37. hxg3 f4. The threat is a perpetual by 38. ... Rxg3+  39. Bxg3 Qxf3+ and Black draws. This idea also works if White plays 37. Bxg3 f4  again followed by Rxg3+.

Freddie_Confident

tonydal true but he would of ended up with 3 pawns compensation for it! Yes mag that is true I did have that draw

Thank you so much all of you for analysing and having a look at my game!

I really appreciate it and it has helped me buckets!...philmet, loomis and dmeng especially!

phmilet

Finally, a couple remarks on the beginning moves:

9. ... g5 is a pretty bald tactical idea, but is also a big commitment on the kingside pawn structure. The advancing of the kingside pawns is now a must, and O-O is no longer safe.

I have my doubts with whether 14. ... Qxa3 was a good idea, or if this tempo could be used in a more productive way. Semi-opens the a-file, allowing possibly powerful a- and b-rooks for white. 

16. ... f5? is positionally really bad, because it gives away the e5-square. 16. ... Nxg3 and you would probably have a winning position at hand.

21. ... b6 doesn't really protect the pawn, for 22. Rxb6 axb6 23. Rxa8+, but it is argueable if white wants to trade his rooks, even if he wins a pawn.

22. ... Bc8?! - I prefer 22. ... c5, followed by connecting the rooks and placing the bishop somewhere on the powerful a8-h1 diagonal.

Your opponent's 23. Bg3? just makes no sense.

24. Rc1 - I prefer the immediate c5 for your opponent. Rc1 allows the called for ... c5!, a must in this position.

24. ...a6? - This move does absolutely nothing but weaken your pawn structure. 24. ... c5! was necessary. And I believe here is where the position REALLY got one-sided. White was superior till now, but after 24. ... a6? white's position is clearly much better.

anhhuyalex

Exactly, you didn't trade a poor knight, pinned, for a dominating bishop that was putting lots of pressure on your knight!