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steveda

This game is not completed, so please no comments on the ending moves...I am writing to show you the pawn line that developed and hemmed my pieces in.  By move 17, the only thing I could think of doing was the knight sacrifice and then the trade of rooks to squeeze my queen behind the line.  This was (actually still is...) an interesting game.  Any suggestions on dealing with that pawn formation in the future .. or how do i prevent it from developing without making what I thought were ill-conceived captures?I appreciate any comments guys!  I am new to this site, so I hope this works!Steveda

 

Charlie91
Black's pawn strategy is very bad (pawns can't go backward); he didn't develop his pieces until late in the game.  What you did was right--developing your pieces.  I'm not surprised with the outcome...  Wink
Magicmunky

9. d5 released the tension in the centre, I would have left the pawn on d4 and continued to develop normally with 0-0, Be3, Qc2 or something like that. Then open the centre with dxe4 or cxb5 with good chances.

I seem to remember a phrase from Chernev - Logical Chess, something like opening up the position favours the more developed side, in this case you would have a cast iron advantage.

steveda
Magicmunky wrote:

9. d5 released the tension in the centre, I would have left the pawn on d4 and continued to develop normally with 0-0, Be3, Qc2 or something like that. Then open the centre with dxe4 or cxb5 with good chances.


Very true!!  I should have continued developing rather than lock up the center with the d5 move!  Thanks for the comments Magic and Charlie!

wizbit

Did you realise that you missed mating black on move 36?

Instead of Qxh6+,

36. Rg5+ Qg6 37. Qxg6+ Kh8 38. Qh6#

or

36. Rg5+ Kh8 37. Qxh6# 


steveda
WOW... no i didn't even see that looking back over the game.  I missed the discovered check from the bishop!  Thanks!
Fromper

As mentioned, this guy's a total pawn pusher. He didn't develop any of his pieces early. When I see something like this early on, I just develop my pieces to natural squares and trade whatever pawns I can as early as possible. If I were you, I probably would have played dxe5 on the 7th move. Since all he knows how to do is push his pawns, take them away from him, and you'll have the advantage, even with only two pieces developed so far. Against this type of player, odds are that after a pawn trade or two, you'd still develop another 2 or 3 pieces before he brings out any, and the pawn trades will give your pieces plenty of open attacking lanes. The only thing you have to fear in this type of situation is that the pawns could become totally locked up in the center, in which case you've got a good chance of a drawn game, which is another reason to trade the pawns as early as you can.

 

--Fromper 


Stranger85

I would inform my opponent that we're not playing checkers, and that opening is made to be exploited with any number of sacrifices or even just a bit of patience

erikido23
Fromper wrote:

As mentioned, this guy's a total pawn pusher. He didn't develop any of his pieces early. When I see something like this early on, I just develop my pieces to natural squares and trade whatever pawns I can as early as possible. If I were you, I probably would have played dxe5 on the 7th move. Since all he knows how to do is push his pawns, take them away from him, and you'll have the advantage, even with only two pieces developed so far. Against this type of player, odds are that after a pawn trade or two, you'd still develop another 2 or 3 pieces before he brings out any, and the pawn trades will give your pieces plenty of open attacking lanes. The only thing you have to fear in this type of situation is that the pawns could become totally locked up in the center, in which case you've got a good chance of a drawn game, which is another reason to trade the pawns as early as you can.

 

--Fromper 


I agree dxe5 is a good move but for a much more punishing reason.....after fpxe5

8. nxe5!!, pxe5 9. b-f7+,k-e7 10.bxg8, rxg8 11.  b-g5+ winning the queen

erikido23
erikido23 wrote: Fromper wrote:

As mentioned, this guy's a total pawn pusher. He didn't develop any of his pieces early. When I see something like this early on, I just develop my pieces to natural squares and trade whatever pawns I can as early as possible. If I were you, I probably would have played dxe5 on the 7th move. Since all he knows how to do is push his pawns, take them away from him, and you'll have the advantage, even with only two pieces developed so far. Against this type of player, odds are that after a pawn trade or two, you'd still develop another 2 or 3 pieces before he brings out any, and the pawn trades will give your pieces plenty of open attacking lanes. The only thing you have to fear in this type of situation is that the pawns could become totally locked up in the center, in which case you've got a good chance of a drawn game, which is another reason to trade the pawns as early as you can.

 

--Fromper 


I agree dxe5 is a good move but for a much more punishing reason.....after fpxe5

8. nxe5!!, pxe5 9. b-f7+,k-e7 10.bxg8, rxg8 11.  b-g5+ winning the queen


Or if after 7 dxe5 then black takes with their d pawn then 8 b-f7+, k-e7 9 q-b3, n-h6 10 bxh6 Rxh6 and 11 castles or b-g8  it is very dificult for black to find a good move

 

Ajfonty

I actually felt uneasy watching all those pawn moves...hehe.

But I think you did the right thing in this game. I saw a checkmate though that you missed, though it didn't change the outcome.

 EDIT: Someone else already mentioned the checkmate.

erikido23
benws wrote:

It is not right to sacrifice a piece just because you can't think of anything to do. The only reason it worked here is because your opponenet was bad.

Just play behind your lines and hope that he will allow a breakthrough. Try to manever for space.


If that was directed towards me then you are incorrect.  If someone allows you to win material by sacking then you damn well better do it. 

steveda
Thanks guys!  I do appreciate the comments.  I got so tied up in the pawn line I didn't see the moves Erik and Fromper pointed out.  I need to train myself to pull back and see the whole board, and all the possibilities - not just where play seems to be centered at the moment.  I am getting quite an education here!
erikido23
steveda wrote: Thanks guys!  I do appreciate the comments.  I got so tied up in the pawn line I didn't see the moves Erik and Fromper pointed out.  I need to train myself to pull back and see the whole board, and all the possibilities - not just where play seems to be centered at the moment.  I am getting quite an education here!

Np.  Takes a while to start seeing things like that.  Wasn't long ago that I wouldn't have seen it myself. 

I used to play a much more solid/quiet style most of the time.  But, I just decided to just play sacks every time I felt it MIGHT work in a bunch of games (because I felt attack was my weakness).  As I started doing it the ones that work and the ones that don't come much faster and more clear. 

 

As to recognizing them.  One thing that helps is if you have a large lead in development then start looking for a sack.  In this case you have 2 more minors developed than your opponent (who has none-in addition to pawns in the way of optimal development/defending squares for pieces).  In addition your bishop is developed to its strongest diagonal with your other bishop eyeing other key squares.  This was the key to the position.  First you have to recognize the check on h7.  After that you have to see the removal of the piece that can interpose on check if the f pawn takes. 


 

woodstock

Well definitely that was a bad idea from black because even if the pawn structure looks nice it doesnt withstand thetheory as it can be easily broken leaving the otherpieces disorganized and the king vulerable.

However you should have found a better square for  your bishop on the 1st place as you shouldnt put your pieces upfront against black's pawn structure before it had been broken. It should have been a more secure win but seems the sacifices is quite efficient indeed.

Nice game whatsoever

erikido23
benws wrote:

well, his opponent could have defended and kept his extra piece but chose not to and now probably will lose. If there was a concrete win then the sacrifice could have been justified.


I still have no idea what/who you are talking about. 

xevs
Just some thoughts. Maybe someone already mentioned them.
calvinhobbesliker
on move 33, you coluld play Qxd6 followed by f8=Q