My first time using the Pirc... thoughts?

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My first time ever using the Pirc. I have black.

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TheNameofNames wrote:

white is terrible i must say

He's actually a 1550.

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Cool beans if I’m being honest.

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That isn't a Pirc. It is some sort of a Philidor.

Black needs to play g6 and Bg7 for the opening to be classed as a Pirc.

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GYG wrote:

That isn't a Pirc. It is some sort of a Philidor.

Black needs to play g6 and Bg7 for the opening to be classed as a Pirc.

phillidor/ pirc is too passive. i suggest the Sicilian or the King's pawn opening

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Pirc defence.

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GYG wrote:

That isn't a Pirc. It is some sort of a Philidor.

Black needs to play g6 and Bg7 for the opening to be classed as a Pirc.

You are correct. It's a philidor by transposition after the second or third move... I don't know why I called it a Pirc. In any case, I don't like the pawn on d3 cramping up my game.. which is why I never played it until now.

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Theres an opening called the czech pirc where c6 is played and there no kingside fianchetto the bishop goes to e7 like in your game. The problem with the pirc/modern imo is unlike the KID where black is cramped the center locked but black has dark square dominance and a kingside attack. In the pirc that can happen but it's not guaranteed. Often d,e,f4 are played Austrian style with a quick h4-h5 nf6xh5 and rook sac then you get mated 5 moves later, the 150 attack is nasty too it resemble the English attack in the najdorf which I also wouldn't recommend. It's a combination of move memorization, understanding several different plans because as black you may choose the pirc but white decides the variation and can play literally annything. It's something tourement players play if your in a must win game with black. But if you like it look at the tigers modern and the austrian and 150 attack those are most dangerous.

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#6, the computer says it's Pirc.
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It's not the Pirc, it's a Philidor with a Vienna-like move order. Computer says it's Pirc because the game opened with 1.e4 d6 and then continued into a position that's not in the opening database. Pirc is characterized by both ...d6 and a kingside fianchetto, kind of like a King's Indian but played against 1.e4. ...Be7 is typical in Philidor.

Thepasswordis1234 wrote:

phillidor/ pirc is too passive. i suggest the Sicilian or the King's pawn opening

That's pretty crazy to say, considering how sparkling the Pirc can be:

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the computer calls it the czech pirc I czecked ha get it?

So when it comes to the Kings indian or the Pirc the first few moves have no indepndent value. Playing d6 g6 bg7 white can literally do just about anything so it can be said this started as a kings pawn opening and and at d6 it became a pirc and yea the encyclopedia has it as B00 when c6 is played, GM Varuzhan Akobian specifically his Saint Louis chess club lectures d5 or d6 can be play according to him. I said previously it's a very fluid opening when there can be tons of pawn contact and even more transpositions, The pirc and modern are probably the e4 openings which have the most transpositioning where normally if your play e4, vienna, Spanish, scotch, Italian you don't really deal with getting move ordered unlike d4 where it can happen anywhere the nimzo indian is a good example. So yes your technically right but knowing this opening if your going to play c6 is imperative

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International-Grandpatzer wrote:

My first time ever using the Pirc. I have black.

Very good! I like the fianchetto variation, which is how you play the KID against e4. Check out the video!

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SteelieMD wrote:

It's not the Pirc, it's a Philidor with a Vienna-like move order. Computer says it's Pirc because the game opened with 1.e4 d6 and then continued into a position that's not in the opening database. Pirc is characterized by both ...d6 and a kingside fianchetto, kind of like a King's Indian but played against 1.e4. ...Be7 is typical in Philidor.

Thepasswordis1234 wrote:

phillidor/ pirc is too passive. i suggest the Sicilian or the King's pawn opening

That's pretty crazy to say, considering how sparkling the Pirc can be:

I only suggested, it, but at @International-GrandPatzer 's level, it won't be too exciting.