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Jan 17, 2008
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Your opning depends heavily on your opponent's moves. For example if you are playing black and you opponent starts with a queens pawn then sicilian is off the table. And there are numerous variations it would take several pages to post all the variations for sicilian and ruy lopez. So what are you exactly looking for?
The Ruy Lopez's main line is 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc5 (Black's third move determined how the games turned out).
Silician Defense is a modern opening but it has a closed or open position. The Silician Defense starts as 1. e4 c5 then it develop into numerous variations.
Note: Silician is about equal for both sides as white gain the lead but if black survived the middlegame, he/she will lead in the endgame due to the superior pawn structure, in theory. Also, Silician is a very sharp opening meaning it more tactically so one mistake would cause you to lose the game.
Personally, if you are a beginner then just play the game by following the opening principles in chess.
I've been playing 1. d4 d5 2. Qd3 ... 3. Nc6
I would not recommend 1. d4 d5 2. Qd3. The queen generally doesn't do much damage on her own. I personally don't think it's possible to know the best way to deploy the queen until you have deployed some of the minor pieces (knights and bishops).
would you like to demonstrate it in pratice?
does not need demonstration in practice really. An Opening Principle you may not be aware of fernandobtn: dont move the queen too early. Dont send you queen drifting off alone early on in the game. The more exposed your queen is, the more tactical chances your opponents has (Silman book on combinations one of early chapters*). Your opponent might be able to develop his/her pieces with gains of tempo too. If your queen is too exposed, and have to start moving many times you will simply lag behind in development. Any damage that you do cause, for example, upset your opponets pawn structure etc, your opponent will compensate in development. You will find exceptions to the rule, for example The Scandinavian 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 but there is suffient theory on this opening, and lines in the Kings Gambit for example after a queen check on h4.
To be fair, 1.d4 d5 2.Qd3 is not a total disaster but theres better moves so why play an inferior move?! (Anyone know anything about game theory here?)
To rookie23, you wont build up an opening repitoire over night so i would just pick one or two openings and learn the baiscs of them and the main lines. You wont need much more for playing beginner level.
fernandobtn wrote: would you like to demonstrate it in pratice?
I don't even know what you mean by this. I'm not going to refute 1. d4 d5 2. Qd3 because it's not an outright losing move. But, it's been pointed out that it's not nearly the best move.
As for a practical comparison of the relative merits of our approaches to chess, just look at the difference in our rating. And heck, don't take my word for it, no grandmaster ever plays 1. d4 d5 2. Qd3, and they seem to know what they're doing.
Yep , don't play with your queen too early . There are exceptions to the rule though
the scandinavian opening and the patzer opening ( which is slightly dubious but playable ) both involve early queen moves .
ok ok ok....when I said pratical demonstration, I meant a chess chalenge, for which I have already invited loomis, but I also enjoyed the theorical ideas I'm geting here.
I never said it would be the best way out, and actualy, I was going against that rule of not taking out my queen to early. But there wore two strategies I ponder in relation to that: I like to castle the king to the queen's side, and that meens movin the queen early. Second point: With that opening I get a good defense (versatile, I mean, no exatly the best) against any thing the oponent throw at me.
And finaly, after the king's castle for the queen's side, the rook is ready to get out to the game. With a good queen exchange, I might reduce oponent's queen activity. I mean, he will have no time to use it, even to dismantle my pawn structure or any thing, before I make him a trade ofer he can't refuse.
Of course I am to amature to make my games go thru such an organized path, but even so, how can I mantain the principals of my ideas (that is: castle the king in the queen's side, protect the entire 3 line plus the consequent diagonals, use the queen as much as possible before sacrificing her) with an other, better, oppening?
The queen is ia powerful piece and to win you must use the full power of your pieces. But chess is a complex game and it turns out that trying to use the most powerful piece to do all the work isn't the optimal strategy. It turns out to be quite dangerous to defend primarily with the queen, precisely because of the value of the queen. Because you don't want to lose the queen, the queen can only rest on squares that you entirely own. It is generally too difficult to determine on move 2 where these squares will be.
When our game is over I'll post an annotation of it here. Maybe we will see some of the ideas of utilizing the queen and the other pieces.
loomis,
is that the Sicilian Offense you played?
Clever. I don't want to say too much while the game is (in the strictest sense) still going on. I just looked on chessgames.com, they call 1. g3 d5 2. c4 "Uncommon opening". But I don't see why it couldn't transpose to a number of reasonable things (including a Sicilian with reversed colors). fernando put something about unorthodox openings in the title, so I felt inspired to trot this out.
fernando reminded me that it is an unrated game and said that it would be ok if I comment on it in progress. I just ask that no one comments on future moves.
I rushed through that a little bit here are some corrections:
The final note to the variation 5. Bf4 Qb4+ 6. Qd2 Qxd2+ 7. Nxd2 should say three developed pieces to one (instead of none).
In the variation 6. ... Rb8 7. Bf4 Qd7 black could also play 7. ... Qd8
fernando's getting killed in case he doesn't know it!
Jan 24, 2008
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Fernando doesn't seem to know anything. Openings must be studied at first individually. If you have no understanding of tactics though openings won't do you any good. If you need an opening learn the Standard kings pawn opening and increase from there.
Nice annotation Loomis. To fernando, when i started playing chess i liked the idea of castling queenside and it is good to get some practice playing positions were you have caslted long, but! in chess you cant play moves that you like just for the sake of it. You must 'read' the board and see what position is telling you to play. Before the game against Loomis started you had probably planned to castle long and position your queen on d6 regardless what Loomis played, but you simply cant do that in chess. It doesnt even make sense if you think about it.
Hopefully you picked up some tips from playing the game and reading Loomis` annotation and i wish you the best of luck with your games in the future.
Classical Openings such as 1. e4 e5 or 1.d4 d5 are good ways for people to develop an open position in conjuction with opening principles and situation of the board. Also, about earlier about Queens in the opening, it is a principle or rule: "Don't move the Queen early" but the situation demands it such as a queen trade, it is fine.
well... you are right to say I don't know anything. I own my ralatily hight rating, thou, with some kind of intuition and empircal expirience. I thought about joining chess.com as a way of leraning without having to go thru ... well pardon me if I say... pain in the a-- didatical books. Another reason I didn't ever read any thing is that I don't buy much books, and libreries are not the best place to find good chess books... not the ones I look (not that I've looked enought thou).
You are rigth when you say I intended to castle to the queens side even before the game would start, but... well... That was the hole pourpose of the game!!! you can take a look at my other games and you might understund how I have taken advantage of this move in other cases.
Thanks a lot and, not to let unmensioned: I pretend to buy some books, now that I fully compreend mi ignorance!!! :D
i need an awesome opening
ive heard about the ruy lopez and sicilian
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