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mandelshtam
mandelshtam
Jun 22, 2008
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#21

sorry for the horrible writing in my last message (server problems). the first few lines should be:

 on one hand , black gains more space with f5-f4, which makes it more easy for him to move his pieces on the kingside (and  more difficult for white). ...


onehandgann
onehandgann
Jun 22, 2008
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#22

Wow thanks for the analysis  I guess I will try to take advantage of your exertise with a game I recently played , a kings indian game which I lost because of a stupid oversight easily prevented on my second to last move (queen needed to stay where it was) or by putting that dark squared bishop on a different square on move 30 so I am not really looking for comments on the end but more of the middle    was f4 correct etc? I found it really hard to get any kind of play on the king side  though was able to improve my bishops position and felt the game pretty equal until my last moves. Here is the game. 

1. Ng1f3 Ng8f6 2. c4 g6 3. Nb1c3 Bf8g7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. Bf1e2 e5
7. Bc1e3 Nf6g4 8. Be3g5 f6 9. Bg5d2 Nb8c6 10. h3 Ng4h6 11. d5 Nc6e7
12. O-O f5 13. Bd2g5 Nh6f7 14. Bg5d2 f4 15. Kg1h2 g5 16. g4 Bc8d7
17. b4 Qd8c8 18. a4 h5 19. Nf3g1 hxg4 20. hxg4 Nf7h6 21. f3 a5 22. bxa5 Ra8xa5
23. Nc3b5 Ra5a8 24. Ng1h3 Bg7f6 25. Nh3f2 Nh6f7 26. Kh2g2 Ne7g6 27. Nf2d3 c6
28. Nb5c3 Bf6d8 29. Rf1h1 Kg8g7 30. Rh1h5 Bd8b6 31. Qd1h1 Rf8h8 32. Rh5xh8 Qc8xh8
33. Qh1xh8 Nf7xh8 34. Ra1b1 1-0 

 


TwoMove
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Jun 23, 2008
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#23

Thanks Mandelshtam,

 Impressive explanation of some key KID ideas.

Bye John S 


mandelshtam
mandelshtam
Jun 23, 2008
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#24
onehandgann wrote:

Wow thanks for the analysis  I guess I will try to take advantage of your exertise with a game I recently played , a kings indian game which I lost because of a stupid oversight easily prevented on my second to last move (queen needed to stay where it was) or by putting that dark squared bishop on a different square on move 30 so I am not really looking for comments on the end but more of the middle    was f4 correct etc? I found it really hard to get any kind of play on the king side  though was able to improve my bishops position and felt the game pretty equal until my last moves. Here is the game. 

1. Ng1f3 Ng8f6 2. c4 g6 3. Nb1c3 Bf8g7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. Bf1e2 e5
7. Bc1e3 Nf6g4 8. Be3g5 f6 9. Bg5d2 Nb8c6 10. h3 Ng4h6 11. d5 Nc6e7
12. O-O f5 13. Bd2g5 Nh6f7 14. Bg5d2 f4 15. Kg1h2 g5 16. g4 Bc8d7
17. b4 Qd8c8 18. a4 h5 19. Nf3g1 hxg4 20. hxg4 Nf7h6 21. f3 a5 22. bxa5 Ra8xa5
23. Nc3b5 Ra5a8 24. Ng1h3 Bg7f6 25. Nh3f2 Nh6f7 26. Kh2g2 Ne7g6 27. Nf2d3 c6
28. Nb5c3 Bf6d8 29. Rf1h1 Kg8g7 30. Rh1h5 Bd8b6 31. Qd1h1 Rf8h8 32. Rh5xh8 Qc8xh8
33. Qh1xh8 Nf7xh8 34. Ra1b1 1-0 

 

sorry , you lost. Didn't analyse. But my impression is also, you had a very good game for some time.

That is what happens so often in KID. The responsibility of ONE MOVE can be very high, especially the more the two competing strategies - blacks attack on  kingside, white attack on queenside - reach their completion. That's why also there are less draws in KID than in QID, for instance.  


TwoMove
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Jun 24, 2008
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#25

Just a quick look at last game...

9Bh4 g5 etc looks more consistent by white. 10h3? looks like a mistake because of 10...pxp. Probably 10d5 Ne7 11h3 Nh6 more accurate. Maybe 10...Nf7 more accurate to prevent Ng5 after f5. 13Bg5 very strange campers with this bishop. Think 14...f4 should be fine because always have h5 to prevent Bg4. Probably 15...h5 more accurate to stop g4. Then if 16Ng1 (or Ne1) Ng6 with Kh8 and Ng8 and possibly Qh4 to follow. White is not blocking up king-side so easily here, but is still suprisingly in game considering strange opening game. Basically white's opening play looks bad, but not sure finding right way to punish it.

Bye John S