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mhbat14

Wrong forum the first time lets get this right this time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is  the game I played against a chess program on my computer earlier.   I thought I was doing really well until this point where things started going down hill. The thing that really stood out is the queen for rook bishop trade was it wrong.  I couldn't find anything good moves from here so i saved the game and decided to see if I could find any decent moves from here but after 2 hours I gave up looking.  After that I decided to see if any one here could help me find where I went wrong or what I could have done from here?  If I do think of a move that leads to something I'll let you know how it goes.   Any insights could really help me improve alot, so, thanks in advance for the help and insights.

 


Loomis

To answer your question, a queen is generally worth more than a rook and minor piece.

 

I also noticed that in your game you make a note after 12. Rad1 that says white is threatening to play e5. But notice that white's e-pawn is pinned because of BxQ.

 

The move 13. ... e5 weakens f6 and e6. Your opponent takes advantage of this immediately by attacking the knight on f6 with bishop and knight and the pawn on e6 with rooks. You could have spared your f6 knight by moving it, but the pawn on e6 is permanently weak. The pawn on e6 is called a backwards pawn because it is behind its neighbors.


mhbat14
Loomis wrote:

To answer your question, a queen is generally worth more than a rook and minor piece.

 

I also noticed that in your game you make a note after 12. Rad1 that says white is threatening to play e5. But notice that white's e-pawn is pinned because of BxQ.

 

The move 13. ... e5 weakens f6 and e6. Your opponent takes advantage of this immediately by attacking the knight on f6 with bishop and knight and the pawn on e6 with rooks. You could have spared your f6 knight by moving it, but the pawn on e6 is permanently weak. The pawn on e6 is called a backwards pawn because it is behind its neighbors.


 Thanks for the advice.  I can't believe I missed that when I looked like move 12 wow thats depresur sing.  So your saying 13...e5 was the slip that lead to the horrible position I worked myself into and I couldn't find a way to recover from. Thanks its good to know I'll have to be more careful when I
move piece and check where I'm weaking and make sure I'm not creating any weakness the opponent can exploit.


Novski1964

I know this is a really old post, so probably no one is going to read this, but I came across it by chance and I found the game really interesting, so I will share my thoughts with myself. lol First of all, you played an excellent game, I would have lost that game, too. What level was the bot? I am not an expert by any means (only 1800 - so I could be wrong!) but my opinion is your thinking was wonky now and again. loomis has already pointed out the wonky thinking on 13.Rad1 and the fact that you should never exchange a queen for a bishop/knight and rook (unless it is an emergency of course) but there are lots of others.

Let me give you some examples: 9. h3, preventing smothered mate? There isn't any real chance of a smothered mate, at least not until much later, so much later that it doesn't matter at this point. Neither does he want to prevent Bg4 in my opinion (although that would be a good move – there is a better one), but rather Ng4 which opens up a triple attack! In fact, I reckon you should have / could have played Ng4 earlier, e.g. after the weird 8. Bb3 (I don't get that move either - probably because the bishop was unprotected and, if you had played Ne5, he would have to have moved the bishop anyway but the threat was not immediate and he lost a tempo doing it, so it was a mistake in my view).

Anyway, Ng4 would have served multiple purposes; e.g. it attacks the bishop on e3. He can retake with the pawn of course but this doubles his pawns and upsets his kingside defence, leaving his king more exposed. Much more importantly, however, it reveals a double attack on the knight on e3. He can easily defend this of course, e.g. by taking your knight on c6 and attacking the queen but you retake and he still has to deal with the threat of doubled pawns - and you have the initiative. Further, Ng4 unbalances his positional play. For example, if he moves his pieces out of the way, or indeed, even if he exchanges pieces, your powerful bishop on g2 kinda lasers its way all the way to his rook on a1! This isn't a real threat yet, but it could be! Isn’t that the whole point of pointing the bishop on g2 in the KID? Lastly, it gives you some counterplay. White has to defend. It seems to me you spent most of your time trying to defend (at least reading the notes, that's what it sounds like). Sometimes attack is the best defence!