Was this a sound draw offer?

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I offered my opponent a draw in the above game, and he chose to accept it. But my question is, was it actually a sound draw offer, or did one side have a large enough positional advantage to pull off the win?

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ReasonableDoubt wrote:

At a glance, I don't understand why white would offer a draw from this position.  He appears to be winning if he just stacks pressure on the c-file.  He is up a pawn with a better position.  Admittedly my diagram might not have best play/be perfect tactically, but the basic idea appears to be clearly winning.

 


Even though white is up a pawn at the moment, that advantage doesn't really translate into anything pratical, since he also has doubled pawns on the d-file, isolated b-pawn, backwards e-pawn and a Knight vs Bishop situation.

And as far as just stacking pressure on the c-file, I do not think that it would be so simple. Black can just trade off the Knight and apply some pressure of his own:

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ReasonableDoubt wrote:

Hm.. you're right.. how about 35. b4! preventing Ba5, destroying black's bishop, and protecting white's advantage.


Every pawn push in chess creates a weakness in its wake--pushing b4 would pretty much just hand the a3-b3 squares over to black and allow black's Rook to sneak into white territory.

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ReasonableDoubt wrote:

 

Do you really mean to tell me that black overextending one piece makes white's position bad?  

And do I really need to explain to a 2300 rated player that having an enemy Rook on the 3rd rank and behind your pawn structure is not normally considered positive progress?

 

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Personally, I wouldn't have offered a draw. Not exactly sure what I would do, but, if it were my game, I would come up with some plan. It may not work, and I may end up losing. Then, just play another! I just think there are too many pieces on the board, and too many possibilities to offer draw at this point.

Teary, I'm sure you will receive many other suggestions as to what you could have done. The only problem is that your opponents probable moves are (almost) all assumptions. Such is the nature of the game (most times).  

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Mr. Doubt, at first glace it certainly looks like white should have control because of the extra pawn-even though it's piggybacked.

I've read before about programs for games. "fritz" is not playing. You made your point about white being in a better position, but, if the players involved simply play, anything can happen.  

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Well since you went and got your silicon friend, I decided to run it through my own silicon friend =/

Engine: Houdini

Best Move: fxe4

Depth: 25

Nodes Searched: 616,000,000

Value: -0.08 for black (insignificant and might as well be equal)

Mainline:

As you can see, even with theoretically near perfect moves it is difficult for white to hold onto his one pawn advantage, mainly due to the weak structure.
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what about 35.Ra1?

Avatar of IshVarLan

In the, Granted quite likely unwanted/warrented, opinion of Ish .. Chess was meant for "to the Death" .. That said, especially so early in the Match agreeing to a Draw seems, at the least, Premature

Ultimately, only You and Your opposition KNOW what you and said opposition, thought was best .. which was the Draw

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I wouldn't have offered the draw here. The reason is that, even though forces might look balanced, there's still a lot fight and fun to do (unless it's your fifth hour of play and you're exhausted).

Usually I offer draw only when the position is the deadest of deadest draw (and not always), but that's a mater of taste.

Could you tell us in what off-the-board situation you offered the draw?