what the #$%^was he playing and how did he win?

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Somebodysson

here it is. I'm interested  esp in 1. was the Qa5 premature? If so, what is the correct move here. 2. Was I wrong to go after pawns. I mean, before my blunder, I was ahead two pawns, and I think I could have held onto them. Was I wrong?

the obvious lesson, is to not make my move before its my turn. I do this in tactics puzzles too. I make the first move correctly, and then, since I already decided on the next move, I make it without checking, and it is sometimes wrong. That is an issue of discipline. 

QueenTakesKnightOOPS

I'll just add my congratulations on the win Somebodysson. Nicely done!!

I'm back to fighting the chess.com game analyser, sorry jojojopo but I get the same problem on the link you gave, I can't get a single comment to save.

I'm looking for a work around til chess.com fix it. I'll post whatever solution I come up with

Somebodysson
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QueenTakesKnightOOPS

Here's the work around for people having trouble posting annotated games, its not ideal but it will make this thread a lot easier to follow.

Download a pgn Viewer/Editor, I tried a couple with mixed results then I found Penguin which works fine. Do your annotations in it & save the pgn, then you can paste it into chess.com & it works (for me anyway)

Hope this helps

Somebodysson

I don't want to post this morning's game. I'll wait till chess club tomorrow. I was in terrible form this morning, and there was some mixups in the start up, and I played the opening terrible, and I looked it up, and learned from it. QTKO, do you want to post a game where you worked at target consciousness? Or someone else, jojojopo? 

wasted_youth

I find that the annotations aren´t saved if I don´t click on the algebraic notation of the move in the window after writing the text; if I do this, it´s fine, just a nuisance and a time waster!

Somebodysson

hi wasted_youth, no, we've got that figured out now, but the viewer is definitely not working right. I've been clicking out the window, saving the notes, saving the whole thing, and then when clicking on insert, etc...the viewer hasn't even been posting the moves, let alone the notes. Something's up with it. And jojojopo posted a standalone viewer, and that didn't work for me either. I'll have to try QTKO's suggestion of the penguin viewer. 

wasted_youth, do you want to post a game that you've played and have us notate it with target consciousness and then you do the same?

jojojopo

I don't know why it doesn't work for you, that workaround worked for me :/. I'll see if I can write a "step by step" for you to get around this issue. Of course, what QTKO said about the external pgn editor works too, and, in fact, it is the same method as I suggested, only that by using the web based pgn editor on chess.com you don't have to download anything.

jojojopo

Ok, here is a small step by step. It has basically two steps:

1. Create annotation

2. Post it in forum.

It is important to do that separately because of the timeout problem. So, it goes like this:

1.1. Go to either http://www.chess.com/analysis-board-editor or a standalone pgn editor/viewer that allows to create annotation of your choice.

1.2. Enter the moves (or paste an unannotated pgn if you have the moves in pgn format). If you are using the link I provided, I recommend that you first go to the "position setup" tab, and input the information of the game (names of the players, etc) that you want, then go the the "game editor" tab and start playing the moves.

1.3. After you have all the moves, then, still on the "game editor" tab, go to the first move and start writing your annotations. A little trick is that you have to click on the other textbox (there are two) after writing for the annotation to save. ALWAYS check that the annotation shows on the little box with all the moves, the text has to appear there. It can happen that it does not save if you went to the next move without clicking on the other textbox, so do this regularly, and only once you see your text go to the next move.

1.4. To save your work, without exiting the "game editor" tab, there's a "copy pgn" button. Click there, and copy the text that appears, and paste it in notepad or a text editor of your choice and save it as a .pgn file. That way, if the posting on the forum does not work for some reason, then you still have your pgn safely stored so you can try again without losing your work!

2. Refresh the forum (VERY IMPORTANT), a good way of doing so is clicking the "last post" button. Then go to the bottom and write your reply. Once you finish writing, only then press the chessboard button and paste your pgn when it gives you the option. Try not to manipulate the image that appears (don't move it around). Always preview to see that it worked before posting.

Somebodysson

ahhh, maybe it was 'ma ipulating the image' 'don't move it around. I had all the other stuff. I'll try again later. But really, I'm not wating to post my recent games. Let's have a look at one from qtko or jojojopo or wasted youth.

jojojopo

I just played a 15|10 game that may be interesting from the targetting point of view, since it was a very attacking game (king's gambit) with many targets, if you want me to post it. I'm not particularly fond of my play (the opponent was spamming urging me to play faster and, annoyed, I blundered my queen, but managed to win nevertheless due to my pieces being more active and a few smaller blunders on his part leading to he having to sacrifice his queen to avoid mate). I would love to play longer time controls but it is difficult on this server, I always end up having to wait until the opponent's time runs out :@.

Tell me if you want me to post it, and if you do, I suppose you want it without annotations, right?

Somebodysson

hi jojojopo. I'm writing from my phone which is only semismart, so it might not get through. But first let me say that its not the type of game (attacking, lots of targets) we're looking for, but the target-mindedness of one of the players (i.e. You) and of the annotators. So yes, post any game that you want us to annotate, submit it without annotation, let us have a go at it, and once a few of us reapond with annotations, you can submit your annotation. That way we'll all get practice looking at targets/weaknesses for both sides, and the person who played the game will be able to submit their target-thoughts. I've just been thinking that it may be best, BEST, if we submit our games without saying which side we played, and only telling what side qe played after all the annotations are in. That way the annotators on the site will look more objectively at both sides, and we will be less biased to one side. Let's try it anyway. But, to review 1. Its a game you want to review for your target-mindedness.t. If you can post it without saying what aide you played, all the better.

And, to readers, we should not be posting any and all games to the site. This is really an experiment being conducted by a few of us to buuld our target mindedness.we will see how many games we can discuss at a time. Right now we're waiting ion one game from qtko, one possibly from jojojopo, and one from me in a few days(chess club is cancelled tomorrow night, for two weeka, but I'll be playing some online tournament games in the next few days. Over and out.

Somebodysson
jojojopo wrote: I would love to play longer time controls but it is difficult on this server, I always end up having to wait until the opponent's time runs out :@.I hear ya brother, I hear ya.Join the chess.com Dan Heisman Slow Chess League, and play long time control (45/45, 90/30) games. The only risk there is that they don't show up, or its hard to negotiate the time for the game...but its the best chance for long time control games on chess.com . There's also a slow chess association with its own tournaments...it may or may not be part of Dan Heisman league...I'm not sure.

Tell me if you want me to post it, and if you do, I suppose you want it without annotations, right?

Its up to you, jojojopo, be my guest Wink Post it if you want us to annotate it and if you want help with your target-consciousness via that game. 

Somebodysson

Holy cripes Batman! I just realized something! (I know I know, you guys have known it all along, but I just realized it...) When I'm doing tactics puzzles when I'm considering my move I have to consider what is the opponent's best response. 

I just realized that. Sealed

Maybe that's another reason why I lose so many games. Because I think of my move without considering my opponent's best response, and I haven't been practicing thinking such things!

So I know this isn't a chess pedagogy thread, but we are trying to train me to be something other than a terrible chess player.

Yaroslavl
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BlueMarlin

My advice would be to pay more attention to the simple advice of philidor_positiona.  The general principles and positional considerations never take priority over simple tactics.  You dropped three pawns for no compensation.  That was the game.  Your Bxf4 dropped a pawn due to a discovered attack on d4 (taking with the rook would have protected it).  Then you lost a 2nd pawn by simply not recapturing on c4.  This is more than enough material loss to lose a game.  Chess is 99% tactics.  

My advice would be to develop a process to look at all forcing moves, including captures, checks, and then things like pins, etc.  Calculate these exchanges and make sure you are not losing material at the end of of it.  There was nothing complicated going on her.  At most a 2-mover (takes-takes-takes).  Count the material, who's ahead?   

Positional concepts are important too, you just have to get past hanging pawns for no good reason.  Nothing else is releveant in this game and nothing is mysterious about it.  

He played a hedgehog opening, btw.  You did have a good spatial and deverlomental advanatge in the opening, but it didn't matter.  He basically waited for you to make mistakes.  

Somebodysson

thank you very much aronchuck. I appreciate you supplying us with your game. I didn't post my recent game because I made so many errors, and it was clear that I made so many of them because I did not consider all of my options. Some of my learning has to be my own discipline in applying the lessons. So, in addition to looking at weaknesses, discerning opponent's plans, I have to make sure I look at my own options. On the most recent game, which I do NOT want to post, I often felt in a bad situation and did not look for more moves. There were many areas where I could have saved the game, but didn't because I did not consider more possibilities.

I will, and whoever else wants to, we will, analyze aronchuck's game for targets plans and weaknesses, and I look forward to doing this work. 

Merry Christmas, healthy and safe and satisfied Christmas to all, happy holidiays to all; I will post my analysis to your game aronchuck later this evening. Thanks again aronchuck.   

Somebodysson

aronchuck. I couldn't resist. I just annotated your game. It was soooooo instructional, and so exciting. I will try to annotate it again, in a few days. I made my notes without looking ahead to any of the moves, and without playing out the game even once. So it was really a Guess the move, for me, every single move. It was awesome, an awesome experience. All of my mistakes, my wrong guesses, my right guesses, my thinking process, are all there. I invite anyone to do the same. 

for the future, I think it is VERY IMPORTANT that we do not say which side our player (iu.e. aronchuck) played. the only think I knew about this game was that aronchuck played Black. I wish I hadn't known. My annotations would have been more objective if I hadn't known aronchuck was Black.

So jojojopo, queenTakesKnightOops, and me, in the future when we present games to the thread we will keep secret which side we played. We will not say ahead of time whether we won or lost. We will submit the game, and we will have instuctional fun annotating. 

aronchuck I thank you for this opportunity. Maybe after Christmas you will post more games, and in the new year. Yaroslavl, post a game next week. Don't say which side you played. give us your games, and we will give you ours. Awesome, now I have to go eat.!!!

Somebodysson
Somebodysson

jojojopo, I followed your directions for the standalone viewer and it worked.  thank you!Smile

QueenTakesKnightOOps: it doesn't work to copy and paste the diagram into the post. I first tried that, and it didn't work. You can't copy and paste the diagram. The instructions in the viewer are wrong. You have to copy the pgn file directly from the viewer, and then paste the pgn file into the little board at the top of the reply box on the thread. That's the way it works. You don't have to save the pgn, you just have to make sure to NOT CLOSE the viewer until you have successfully copied and pasted the pgn file into the reply post. Of course I imagine if you are not finished the annotation, or if you want to review it later or make changes you could save the pgn file. 

Claro?