What would you do and why?

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Skand

In this game after 21...f5 what would you do and more importantly WHY? 

I feel if I understand reasons behind thinking of good players in such a situation, I will be able to learn some general principles and use them in my future games.



sanath9999
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sanath9999

My choice is Bf4 because the e-file will be opened after the exchange of pawns. Also, the bishop at f4 controls the important e5 square.

F0T0T0

Rd4 trying to exchange the doubled pawns maybe??

Bf4 works too like sanath said.

Nice to see Team India teamates on the forum.

Also did the game end or is it going on?

Swindlers_List

Take the pawn, it creates a passer on the g file, play f4 to make a protected past pawn and control e5. Bring the bishop to f2 and trade rooks on the e file.

Your passed pawn and bishop should give you the better chances.

Skand

@Assault: you mean exf?

@quadriple: of course the game is over. As can be seen on top, I lost. Posting before the game is over would be cheating.

F0T0T0

ok.

I didn't see that.

Swindlers_List

yes exf

Skand

exf is what I played.

After the game was over I analysed my game using CompoChess. After exf my position was evalauted from +0.67 to -0.65. My exf was considered by CC like I lost a pawn and worse!

Recommended move by CC is gxf6 which is evaluated to +0.73

Swindlers_List

Maybe it's right but I wouldnt trust a computer too much in this position.

They have difficulty in assesing positional factors like a past pawn, bishop v knight in return for bad pawn structure.

Skand

@Sanath1987: Bf4 is evaluated to -1.18

sanath9999

oh my god. Then exf4 followed by f4 as suggested by Assault looks good.

waffllemaster

exf is what I would probably play.  It gives white a passed pawn and weakens black's kingside pawns.  The only thing left to check is if his minor piece will somehow be better (knight vs bishop).  But Bd4 is a very good square.  In fact looks like white is close to winning / is winning after exf5.

gxf6 helps the knight to a better square and doesn't weaken black's pawns.

sanath9999

Yes, I consider this to be a winning position for white. I dont know how it is better for black.

VLaurenT

And how did your engine prove its advantage after say 22.exf5 gxf5 23.Bd4 ?

Skand

Yes, I *felt* like I was in better shape too. Frankly I am poor in judging which side is better when both sides have equal material and none of them in obvious control.

Perhaps exf is good. Ofcourse I had plenty of opportunity to mess up later which I did. However the evaluation going from +.67 to -.65 is too much for CC to be wrong - in my experience. When very few pieces are left on board I have seen CompuChess not wrorking well but with so many of them still on the board, CC analysis is usually dependable.

Skand

22.exf5 gxf5 23.Bd4 is evaluated to -0.62.

DrSpudnik

While I would take exf, I don't know how "won" the position is..depends on whether Black can get that Knight perched on a nice square like c4, for instance. The win is a long way off.

sanath9999

I think it is better not to go by engine evaluation in the endgame.

VLaurenT
Skand wrote:

22.exf5 gxf5 23.Bd4 is evaluated to -0.62.

Got it, but what does it play to show its advantage ? Smile