Are bots with low ratings just gifting pieces?

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peazyeazy

I thought I would test out low rated software available on the chesskids webpage. The 2200 bot played very reasonable and had to study some positions deep. Then I tested the 1600 bot and it just seemed very terrible. Are 1600 players really that bad or are the bots designed badly to play at 1600 level. There was no thought in the game below was personally just clicking buttons.

notmtwain

This is chess.com. I believe that most players here have little idea of what is on chesskids because the site is designed for children.

The "bots" here are unrated. I would be surprised if they are rated on chesskids. But I'll take your word for it.

The king walk and knight retreat in moves 8-10 confirm that it doesn't merit a 1600 rating. I would guess that such moves are designed to be encouraging to young kids.

If you want to assess the rated computers here, you have to play a timed rated game. 

 

peazyeazy

Go play the 2200 and find out if it is designed for kids wink.png I typed chess vs computer and it was first thing that came up on google.  I doubt many on here could beat the 2200 but the 1600 just plays like its badly programmed into making blunders.

I have played many times vs stockfish 8, komodo 10.2 always playing to draw as winning does seems impossible, only managing to draw a couple of games out of 100s but they are to few and far between. 

Engines like sos 5.1 are good as you always feel like you have a chance but have to put brain power into beating them.

bubsyloogah

Here are my approximate real ratings for each of the bots on chesskid.com (given ratings in parentheses)

 

  1. Qwerty (400) 700
  2. Reboot (600) 850
  3. SafeMode (800) 925
  4. Kilobyte (1000) 1000
  5. Hyperlink (1200) 1100
  6. Override (1400) 1220
  7.  QuadCore (1600) 1350
  8. Firewall (1800) 1500
  9. CircuitBreaker (2000) 1650
  10. Megahertz (2200) 1900

Here is my game vs OverRide (I am rated around 1430)

 

notmtwain
bubsyloogah wrote:

Here are my approximate real ratings for each of the bots on chesskid.com (given ratings in parentheses)

 

  1. Qwerty (400) 700
  2. Reboot (600) 850
  3. SafeMode (800) 925
  4. Kilobyte (1000) 1000
  5. Hyperlink (1200) 1100
  6. Override (1400) 1220
  7.  QuadCore (1600) 1350
  8. Firewall (1800) 1500
  9. CircuitBreaker (2000) 1650
  10. Megahertz (2200) 1900

Here is my game vs OverRide (I am rated around 1430)

 

Real? How would you know? Is this based on your personal experiences with the bots as a 1430?

Incidentally, is 1430 your blitz rating on Chesskids? Your blitz rating here is 658.

bubsyloogah

I play at around a 1430 level untimed. I'm pretty sure my game vs the CPU was NOT a 600 game.

notmtwain
bubsyloogah wrote:

I play at around a 1430 level untimed. I'm pretty sure my game vs the CPU was NOT a 600 game.

There is no such thing as "1430 level untimed".  All rated games are timed. Untimed games are not ratable.

 

notmtwain
bubsyloogah wrote:

I'm pretty sure my game vs the CPU was NOT a 600 game.

 

It was played against a computer that a 658 rated blitz player beat easily.  While games are not individually rated, the computer would receive a rating after losing this game somewhere south of 600.  Therefore, one could say that it was a 600 game.

 

I am not trying to give you a hard time. The fact that you deem your untimed play in a game against a computer that threw a rook at you on the 9th move to be better evidence of your real rating than the 171 games you played here in live chess (blitz, bullet and rapid)  shows that you don't understand ratings.

 

bubsyloogah

I play at a 900 standard and an 1100 daily here on chess.com

bubsyloogah

Also, I was not playing blitz.

SAGM001

really

evan_27

I'm curious about this also. My 8 year old son has a USCF rating of 520. He beat the 2000 bot 3 straight games, and lost 3 straight to the 2200 bot. There seems to be a big difference between the two.

LordFabiusMaximus

OKAY, OKAY! ALL THE ARGUING! im pretty sure the chesskids bots are just a problem in the server

WossamottaU

This has always been a thing with chess programs.  It turns out artificial intelligence is child's play compared to the successful programming of realistic artificial stupidity.

AlphaZeroX2

I won vs QuadCore and my rating is around 700(I didn't use hints.)

VikrantPlaysD4

COMPS are stupid... Get a real 2200 and you're dead if you aren't equal in rating.

piscatorox

I haven't played OTB for ten years but have a FIDE rating of 2210. When my children starting playing on chesskid.com I looked at the chesskid bots but got totally crushed every time I played Megahertz (the top chesskid bot). I'm out of practice, but can tell when I am beyond outclassed.

So as a test we played Megahertz against Stockfish... four games four draws. So while the lower bots on chesskids are pretty weak, I think Megahertz's real rating is way beyond the 1900 suggested above happy.png

Ziryab

There is not much economic motivation to develop chess software that plays humanlike at weak levels, so strong engines are instructed to make egregious errors in the effort to mimic weak players. Your best bet for realistic weak engines are engines designed by programmers who are not very good, and who did not begin by tweaking Stockfish. Ten or fifteen years ago, I had something like 64 engines on one of my computers and a few were weak enough to play like a human rated below 1700.

Puzzledudes

In reality most chess.com bots are not accurate at all either, for example a 1600 bot still blunders materials a lot.

Puzzledudes

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