I once beat it really easily with the Muzio Gambit. Then it gave me the whole spiel about how I should join a chess club. If I beat Chessmaster, I probably belong to a chess club shouldn't I?
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you beat it in how many moves? do yu have the game?
Good what I need is an example of a short game you have played (the moves). It should be a 2 hr game that analysis rates high. eg in my game a 120 second per move analysis yields 100% agreement to chessmasters moves showing that the machine can neither detect, avoid, or defend against, the human strategy.
Look maybe I should be clear about my goal. It would be a collection of games like mine that if you played e4, then no matter what the defence the human would devistate the computer because the reader would not only have a clear understanding in general of anti-computer chess, but would have memorised certain games. Thus, to find more games of the type by having readers submit games. ect. Ultimately, humans are much better competition to robots.
KillaBeez wrote:
I once beat it really easily with the Muzio Gambit. Then it gave me the whole spiel about how I should join a chess club. If I beat Chessmaster, I probably belong to a chess club shouldn't I?
I'm suprised that happened. Aren't sharp positions like that where computers are good? If we're talking about computers in general, they are very strong. They need the opening book, but their tactics are perfect except for variations over 10 moves and the best players have a very tough time with the strongest ones.
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Chessmaster played at its highest strength used to clean my clock every time. I haven't played it in years, but I don't know how you guys are able to beat it so easily.
hmm generaly from what i've read about it, games who start by the book for quite a while and end with two many options are difficult for computers.
(its a node by node solving problem to computers)
I'm sure computers are better chess players, but their games are cold not nice to see. So i prefer human play, and prefer to see a human chess games.
Yes we make errors in the heat of the battle, afterwards you can say you didnt saw it, or just had no time to respond to it, or intuition told you not to move that.. well thats what i like in chess its like poker, you play against people, people's tactics. In 4 years computers double multiple times in power, but they wont make more interesting games. They dont lift their eyelid and think eureka.. (or say damn. afterwards) the human part behind it, thats nice the, its the way we think about this, and where it gets us. Excersize for the mind.
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2008.6.17"]
[Round ""]
[White "Benoit"]
[Black "Chessmaster"]
[TimeControl "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne4 6.Qc2 f5 7.Nh3 d6 8.g4 c5 9.gxf5 exf5 10.Rg1 cxd4 11.cxd4 O-O 12.Nf4 Qh4 13.e3
Qxh2 14.Rg2 Qh6 15.Bb2 Nc6 16.O-O-O Nf6 17.Rg3 g5 18.Bg2 Ne4 19.Bxe4 fxe4 20.Qxe4 Bf5 21.Qg2 g4 22.Rh1 Qg7 23.Qd5+ Kh8 24.e4 Bd7
25.Nd3 Rac8 26.f4 Rf6 27.e5 Rg6 28.exd6 Rf6 29.Rh5 b6 30.Bc3 Qg6 31.Rg5 Qh6 32.Ne5 Rxf4 33.Nxd7 Qh4 34.Be1 Qh6 35.Bd2 Rf1+
36.Kb2 Qh2 37.Rg2 Qh1 38.Qe4 Rb1+ 39.Qxb1 Qxg2 40.Qd3 Qf3 41.Qxf3 gxf3 42.Bc3 h5 43.d5+ Nd4 44.Bxd4+ Kh7 45.Bg7 Kg8 46.Bf6+ Kf7
47.Rg7+ Ke8 48.Ne5 Kf8 49.Ng6+ Ke8 50.d7# 1-0
Time control was not fair and I took back lots of moves, but eh, what can you do ? This is the best of my four wins and countless defeats. Notice how Chessmaster 10 doesn't react as its position gets weaker and weaker. It was played on a 1.4Ghz computer, not a "gaming monster". Hit the "Game Analysis..." option in the "Mentor" menu of Chessmaster 10. The computer likes all its moves except maybe one, and it likes at least all the ones that lead it into such an impossible king siege.
You asked for a "fair" game, but I am under the impression that no one here has one to show. If you do, please post, as seeing computers getting their ass kicked by humans is very enjoyable to any non-computer.
My Brain -VS- CPU
Winkwonle wrote:
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2008.6.17"]
[Round ""]
[White "Benoit"]
[Black "Chessmaster"]
[TimeControl "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne4 6.Qc2 f5 7.Nh3 d6 8.g4 c5 9.gxf5 exf5 10.Rg1 cxd4 11.cxd4 O-O 12.Nf4 Qh4 13.e3
Qxh2 14.Rg2 Qh6 15.Bb2 Nc6 16.O-O-O Nf6 17.Rg3 g5 18.Bg2 Ne4 19.Bxe4 fxe4 20.Qxe4 Bf5 21.Qg2 g4 22.Rh1 Qg7 23.Qd5+ Kh8 24.e4 Bd7
25.Nd3 Rac8 26.f4 Rf6 27.e5 Rg6 28.exd6 Rf6 29.Rh5 b6 30.Bc3 Qg6 31.Rg5 Qh6 32.Ne5 Rxf4 33.Nxd7 Qh4 34.Be1 Qh6 35.Bd2 Rf1+
36.Kb2 Qh2 37.Rg2 Qh1 38.Qe4 Rb1+ 39.Qxb1 Qxg2 40.Qd3 Qf3 41.Qxf3 gxf3 42.Bc3 h5 43.d5+ Nd4 44.Bxd4+ Kh7 45.Bg7 Kg8 46.Bf6+ Kf7
47.Rg7+ Ke8 48.Ne5 Kf8 49.Ng6+ Ke8 50.d7# 1-0
Time control was not fair and I took back lots of moves, but eh, what can you do ? This is the best of my four wins and countless defeats. Notice how Chessmaster 10 doesn't react as its position gets weaker and weaker. It was played on a 1.4Ghz computer, not a "gaming monster". Hit the "Game Analysis..." option in the "Mentor" menu of Chessmaster 10. The computer likes all its moves except maybe one, and it likes at least all the ones that lead it into such an impossible king siege.
You asked for a "fair" game, but I am under the impression that no one here has one to show. If you do, please post, as seeing computers getting their ass kicked by humans is very enjoyable to any non-computer.
1) e4 c5 2) kt-c3 d3 3) kt-f3 e5 4) B-c4 kt-c6 5) d3 B-e7
6) B-d2 1st move out of book or data base (CM may vary the order of moves but the second move ...c3 is indicative of the response to my closed sicilian 2) kt-c3. The database indicates long technical games where CM would have the advantage) the move loses a tempo, devalues d4 as an advance point for the kt, and puts into play action a sequence that I desire.
6) B-d2 kt-f6 7) 0-0 0-0 8) kt-d5 (there are 13 moves in an opening, a good game will involve agression by you that leads to an even echange during these moves but best is to keep as much material on the board as possible) 8) kt-d5 ktxd5 9) Bxd5 B-f6 an excellent move by each player
10) a3 B-g4 the pin 11) B-e3 kt-d4 12) Bxd4 cxd4 13) h3 B-h4 14) g4 B-g6
15) c4 h5 16) kt-h2 h5xg4 17) Qxg4
17) Qxg4 Kh8 18) h4 Bh7 19) ktf3 Qb6 20) b4 Q-c7 21) ktg5 Qe7 22) f4 Bxg5 23) hxg5 g6 24) f5 gxf5 25) exf5 Qd7 26) Qh4 Rg8 and the mid-game is over, black can no longer win because of structure and space, material is even.
27) Kh1 Rg7 28) Ra2 Qe8 29) Rh2 Qg8 30) Rg1 Rf8 31) f6 material even with mate in seven
31) f6 Rc8 32) Rg3 Rxc4 33) Bxc4 d5 34) fxg7+ Qxg7 35) g6 fxg6 36) Rf3 Qg8 37) Rf8 Qxf8 38) Qxh7#
I'll post more analysis later
I am looking for other games like the one I can show you that will beat chessmaster in 38 moves.