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Beating the chess.com bots rated a lot higher than me(~1250)

coffeebeans3

Hello everyone, so yesterday I thought of taking on the challenge of the chess.com bots to see how far I could make it.


I started playing against Antonio (1500) just to see how I would fare. To my surprise I beat him in my first game, without too much effort. (I should note I didn't record my time, but non of the games lasted more than 30 minutes). So naturally I moved on to the Isabel-bot (1600), to whom I drew the first game and won the second one. Wally (1800) was a bit harder, losing once, drawing once and ultimately winning the last game. I was already quite surprised by how far I'd gotten, so for the ultimate test I took on Li (2000) just out of curiosity, thinking I stood little chance. However I took the advantage in the first game, being up the exchange we entered the endgame, where I didn't see a clear way to victory so I took the draw by repetition. Now 

thinking I could actually beat her I played a second game where I did indeed win (I included the game in this post).

So this gave me a few questions: am I actually underrated on chess.com? Are the bots rated inaccurately? Am I just better against bots than I am against real people? I don't really know what to think of it, so I thought I'd ask you guys. 

baddogno

The bots seem quite overrated in my opinion.  Unlike our ratings which rise and fall with our performance, they are stuck at their initial rating, and that seems quite optimistic.  Probably deliberate to make us feel good about ourselves. wink.png

And of course most of us play better against bots anyway.  You know if you just hang in there with decent, but conservative play, that eventually they will make an error.  They seem especially rubbish at endgames....

normack77

While I agree with Baddogno, It's still quite an achievement to beat a 2000 rated Bot, well done CB3..!

baddogno
normack77 wrote:

While I agree with Baddogno, It's still quite an achievement to beat a 2000 rated Bot, well done CB3..!

Normack77 is quite right.  My bad for not congratulating you.  You played very well indeed!

nTzT

How many times did you try to beat them? Perhaps people don't count the times they lose or blunder and simply restart the match.

Marco

I've beaten Beth at 15(1800) three times in a row and I'm not that good

coffeebeans3
baddogno schreef:

The bots seem quite overrated in my opinion.  Unlike our ratings which rise and fall with our performance, they are stuck at their initial rating, and that seems quite optimistic.  Probably deliberate to make us feel good about ourselves.

And of course most of us play better against bots anyway.  You know if you just hang in there with decent, but conservative play, that eventually they will make an error.  They seem especially rubbish at endgames....

Yeah I think you're probably right, combined with the fact that I didn't have any real time pressure and wasn't losing any rating by losing, which makes it easier to perform better

coffeebeans3
normack77 schreef:

While I agree with Baddogno, It's still quite an achievement to beat a 2000 rated Bot, well done CB3..!

Thanks! happy.png I definitely am quite happy with my achievement

coffeebeans3
DemonicEmbrace schreef:

How many times did you try to bewat them? Perhaps people don't count the times they lose or blunder and simply restart the match.

I mentioned all the attempts in my post, though against wally I started with the same opening each time, which gave me an advantage since I kind of knew which moves he was going to play even though they did vary from game to game

ArrozConArrozSePaga

One question, does the bot run in your hardware or in the server's?

if it runs on the client´s hardware then this could explain differences in bot´s performance.

Anyway, congratulations

IEatPlaydoh

Impressive. I find drawing strong bots is relatively easy if you close the position. They tend to just shift pieces around and eventually draw by repetition. 

coffeebeans3
ArrozConArrozSePaga schreef:

One question, does the bot run in your hardware or in the server's?

if it runs on the client´s hardware then this could explain differences in bot´s performance.

Anyway, congratulations

I have no idea, I just played them in my browser on my laptop and didn't touch any settings. Is there any way to check this?

coffeebeans3
IEatPlaydoh schreef:

Impressive. I find drawing strong bots is relatively easy if you close the position. They tend to just shift pieces around and eventually draw by repetition. 

Yes, I do find that some of them have a reserved, passive playstyle which I find easier to play against. Also love that I'm having a chess discussion with someone who says he eats playdoh haha.

BiggieCheeseboy420

i can beat antonio bot but isabel... 

ChessPrix2314

@BiggieCheeseboy420 same goes for me

Chess_Notebook

I cannot beat about 1000, but I basically beat Li (2000) on "Friendly" mode. I accidentally clicked "resign"

orlock20

Play them as black and white. Sometimes they are stronger with a certain color. Also ignore their rating while climbing the rating ladder. Eventually you'll probably get to a bot that keeps beating you.

Warrior_GOLD

The bots seem extremely underrated to me. I’m 700ish but can beat Sven and Nelson without too much struggle 

Warrior_GOLD

*overrated

Bruno5979

 Everybody knows they are very  overrated.

The question is :

Why Chess.com don't modify that ?  It's very easy.