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The fried liver attack
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It's a textbook Fried Liver White-murders-clueless-Black up to about move 12 at which point with an easily won game you decide to prolong it by playing sloppy. You'd think you were being paid by the "check."
13.Qxc6 +- why fart around giving meaningless checks and giving away pawns?
JG27Pyth wrote:
It's a textbook Fried Liver White-murders-clueless-Black up to about move 12 at which point with an easily won game you decide to prolong it by playing sloppy. You'd think you were being paid by the "check."
13.Qxc6 +- why fart around giving meaningless checks and giving away pawns?
meaningless checks? They are not meaningless, don't forget that you can't check-mate if you never check 
. True, there were smarter moves, but it was an easy game anyway...
TheMrLooka wrote:
JG27Pyth wrote:
It's a textbook Fried Liver White-murders-clueless-Black up to about move 12 at which point with an easily won game you decide to prolong it by playing sloppy. You'd think you were being paid by the "check."
13.Qxc6 +- why fart around giving meaningless checks and giving away pawns?
meaningless checks? They are not meaningless, don't forget that you can't check-mate if you never check . True, there were smarter moves, but it was an easy game anyway...
If you're having fun, great. But IMO the -- "who cares if my moves were poor? it was an 'easy' game" -- attitude doesn't really lead to much improvement, if that's something you're interested in.
You gave him back his piece and by move 30 you had managed to let him crawl all the way back to winning! -- 38...Rb8? was a terrible blunder, otherwise he was ahead. And he'd already missed several good moves.
34...cxd4 for example would have been strong for Black. With a pair of mobile connected pawns charging down the center.
EdwardT2 wrote:
I agree with JG27Pyth - I like 13. Qxc6. White is so far ahead that now is the time to consolidate and transition to the end game. Swap swap swap and then win is certain. Leaving the queen and rooks on the board is trouble.
That being said, the usual Fried Liver is 7...Ke6. (Though the position isn't THAT much better - more fun for white to torture black)
For black, 7.. Ke6 is the best move, defending the knight.... Once my opponent payed Kg8, which means check-mate
I actually studied the theory of the Fried Liver Attack and black if he plays perfectly always seems to get an advantage or at least survive by move 20. Personally I like the Lolli Attack much better as you have the guarantee of a nice advantage. That being said, I think that most players would have difficulty to survive as black. Most people who venture that line have no idea what they are doing.
padman wrote:
You had a nice big advantage out of the opening, but you really ran your queen off her feet giving pointless checks there. You could have traded queens at move 13 which probably would have been sensible, but didn't, and then you apparently seek a trade of queens at move 15, giving up a pawn in the process. That's odd.
Castling without too much delay, and developing the rest of your pieces would have been really beneficial.
You had Nc3 on move 26, you didn't need to lose that piece. 34. d4 is really senseless. The black queen is right there and you're opening up your own king and losing an important pawn for no reason.
49. Rd1+ is a nice tactical idea to have in your toolkit. It happens quite frequently.
If you learn how to properly respect king safety, and don't overuse your queen so much and pay proper attention to bringing your entire army to the party, you'll be much stronger.
OK, I get it, those checks were pointless.... :) Although, sometimes during checks your opponent makes a mistake and you can pin down his king to his queen or something like that... I guess that's what I was hoping for.
In move 26 I really didn't see that move, because I was like 'I have some advantage, who cares about the damn knight', so I didn't even pay much attention to him... but I should have....
About 49, thanks for that idea. But I thought that if we trade queens it's 2 rooks against a king and a few pawns, which means easy win.
On move 34... I was just having some plans not even looking what's he could do... I was kind'a ideales at the moment, but I agree, it was a stupid move. And I knew that when I played it....
About you last paragraph, I don't normally like to get my queen out to early, and, as you said, overuse it. But this attack requires that, doesn't it?
http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=31684915
Here is one of my game in which my opponent used fried liver attack, and i think i was able to refute it but unfortunately lost on TIMEOUT!
GoodGuy93 wrote:
One suggestion: after you win a pawn or two, you should consider your developing.
You were playing to much moves with Queen so, as the guys said, 13. Qxc6 is better because when you have material advantage, it's good to exchange pieces.
And I always ask myself which move is better - 6. d4 or Nxf7. I use to play Nxf7, but after d4 White also has big advantage. I have to analyze the first variation.
Nxf7 is better I think, because you want his king to move towards the middle. With d4 he could eventually castle... and we don't want that
Aug 11, 2010
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Other than 38...Rb8 I think black played pretty well. What about ...Qg6 instead?
49.Qxd3+ {All I can say is... finally! White should have traded queens on c6 a millenium ago. FWIW, Qxc6 is the kind of queen trade which demoralizes the opponent and often they will resign.}
Aug 11, 2010
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TheMrLooka wrote:
GoodGuy93 wrote:
One suggestion: after you win a pawn or two, you should consider your developing.
You were playing to much moves with Queen so, as the guys said, 13. Qxc6 is better because when you have material advantage, it's good to exchange pieces.
And I always ask myself which move is better - 6. d4 or Nxf7. I use to play Nxf7, but after d4 White also has big advantage. I have to analyze the first variation.
Nxf7 is better I think, because you want his king to move towards the middle. With d4 he could eventually castle... and we don't want that
Nxf7 is only better if it gives white a greater advantage than d4. I also remember learning, many ages ago, that white shouldn't mess with Nxf7 - just play d4 and you've got a big plus.
Here's a win after the fried liver attack. Please comment