10 year GM roadmap

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hpmobil

I'm 61yo, have two chronical diseases, one should have killed me according to the definition of it 13 years ago, my wife died on cancer 22 months ago. I had to reduce my workload in2009 to 20 hours/week and to retire in june this year. By steady study my rating went up to 1974 national from 1820 in four years. Elo is 2000+. Don't tell the TO his goal of a title is impossible. Nobody knows what he can reach with focused steadiness and patience. Goethe said genius is 1% inspiration and 99% transpiration. The way to get better is known. Play slow games against about 100-150 rating points stronger opponents, analyze with them and alone at first without engines, study tactics first, then endings, then what you like. Important is working on your weaknesses and having fun with the training and the game. Easy to tell, hard to do.

Diakonia

"...i abandoned the tourney."

You ant to be a GM/IM, but you abandon a tournament because it dosnt go your way?

First thing you need to do is grow up.  Secondly...start with some realistic goals.  Start out by reaching an acheivable rating.  Then try for a rating 100 points above that and so on. 

TheRealGMBobbyFish
Reb wrote:

Why don't people set goals that are more realistic/achievable and then once they reach that goal set a new goal , and continue in this manner ?  I recall my first goal was just to be better than certain club member that I didnt like and he was only a B class player ... 

 

 

For everyone who has thus far said words along the lines: Don't tell the OP his goals cannot be achieved, or no one knows how far someone can go.

The only titled player to reply said the above.  Be realistic. 

I expect that every NM wants to be an IM or a GM.  Why aren't they?  We can assume that a 2300 player has much more realistic chances at a FIDE title than a novice in their 20's.  I've seen IM's sit in national top 10's for a decade and win National Opens with near perfect scores and not even get a GM norm let alone a title.  One would think if it was 99% perspiration they would have been GM's a decade ago.  Goethe was probably a lousy chess player.

Of those who are not titled players the best we have is Novice to Expert in 15 years and anther who gained 125 point in 4 years.  So at those 'dream big' numbers, we can calculate that it will not take 20 years, but closer to 40 years for a novice adult to achieve simply enough rating points for one of the criteria of an IM/GM title. 

So, before someone has their dreams dashed in an OTB tournament by a 13 year old kid who is under rated by 600 ELO points help the guy out to set and achieve realistic goals. 





richb8888

one not everyone wants to be a GM-----------most people do not become one. Play for fun.

hpmobil

TheRealGMBobbyFish schrieb:

Reb wrote:

Why don't people set goals that are more realistic/achievable and then once they reach that goal set a new goal , and continue in this manner ?  I recall my first goal was just to be better than certain club member that I didnt like and he was only a B class player ... 

 

 

For everyone who has thus far said words along the lines: Don't tell the OP his goals cannot be achieved, or no one knows how far someone can go.

The only titled player to reply said the above.  Be realistic. 

I expect that every NM wants to be an IM or a GM.  Why aren't they?  We can assume that a 2300 player has much more realistic chances at a FIDE title than a novice in their 20's.  I've seen IM's sit in national top 10's for a decade and win National Opens with near perfect scores and not even get a GM norm let alone a title.  One would think if it was 99% perspiration they would have been GM's a decade ago.  Goethe was probably a lousy chess player.

Of those who are not titled players the best we have is Novice to Expert in 15 years and anther who gained 125 point in 4 years.  So at those 'dream big' numbers, we can calculate that it will not take 20 years, but closer to 40 years for a novice adult to achieve simply enough rating points for one of the criteria of an IM/GM title. 

So, before someone has their dreams dashed in an OTB tournament by a 13 year old kid who is under rated by 600 ELO points help the guy out to set and achieve realistic goals. 





Of those who are not titled" players the best we have is Novice to Expert in 15 years and anther who gained 125 point in 4 years.  You passed the main point and miscalculated. If a 57yo with bad health conditions and under heavy emotional stress manages ~40 Elo plus per year you can't know how far a healthy young man goes in ten years. That's all. The best bet over all is clearly 'No title'. So what?

hpmobil

TheRealGMBobbyFish schrieb:

Reb wrote:

Why don't people set goals that are more realistic/achievable and then once they reach that goal set a new goal , and continue in this manner ?  I recall my first goal was just to be better than certain club member that I didnt like and he was only a B class player ... 

 

 

For everyone who has thus far said words along the lines: Don't tell the OP his goals cannot be achieved, or no one knows how far someone can go.

The only titled player to reply said the above.  Be realistic. 

I expect that every NM wants to be an IM or a GM.  Why aren't they?  We can assume that a 2300 player has much more realistic chances at a FIDE title than a novice in their 20's.  I've seen IM's sit in national top 10's for a decade and win National Opens with near perfect scores and not even get a GM norm let alone a title.  One would think if it was 99% perspiration they would have been GM's a decade ago.  Goethe was probably a lousy chess player.

Of those who are not titled players the best we have is Novice to Expert in 15 years and anther who gained 125 point in 4 years.  So at those 'dream big' numbers, we can calculate that it will not take 20 years, but closer to 40 years for a novice adult to achieve simply enough rating points for one of the criteria of an IM/GM title. 

So, before someone has their dreams dashed in an OTB tournament by a 13 year old kid who is under rated by 600 ELO points help the guy out to set and achieve realistic goals. 





Pardon. Cellphone edit worked bad.

madhacker
richb8888 wrote:

one not everyone wants to be a GM-----------most people do not become one. Play for fun.

Depends what you mean by "wants to be a GM". I certainly wouldn't say no if a chess fairy appeared and offered to wave a magic wand. But I'm not prepared to dump everything else in my life and work like hell at chess 40 hours a week solid, which is what would be needed to give me even a cat-in-hell's chance of ever becoming a GM from a starting point of 2050 at age 31.

The OP sounds like one of those people waiting for the chess-fairy to appear.

Harmbtn
nlokeshchettiar wrote:

@notmtwain, those games i played the day before the tourney just to remember a bit of the game again, i didnt read any basics, i didnt even have basic skill over passed pawns etc then..

one of my employer's clients was the state chess federation, and that guy just asked me to join, so i played.. in the games i could clearly feel a lack of purpose/direction on what i have to move..

so clearly that history is definitely not a decent indicator...

If they were games played recently by you then of course they are a good indicator of your general skill level.

See, i dont want to play games immediately increase my rating by playing on chess.com, i want to learn the middle game, positional play, endgame, tactics before i feel okay i have a grip on what should be done at a given point. That is why im not really interested in playing any games against human opponents because most probably im underutilising my skill due to lack of game knowledge..

You could say im trying to take a romantic approach like the typical martial arts movies where the trainee keeps practising the basics for years before moving ahead, sorta, if that makes any sense..

If you insist on doing this - good luck. You want to become a strong player without playing chess, it won't happen.

Aquarius550
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TheRealGMBobbyFish
hpmobil wrote:

Of those who are not titled" players the best we have is Novice to Expert in 15 years and anther who gained 125 point in 4 years.  You passed the main point and miscalculated. If a 57yo with bad health conditions and under heavy emotional stress manages ~40 Elo plus per year you can't know how far a healthy young man goes in ten years. That's all. The best bet over all is clearly 'No title'. So what?

Whether it's 40 points a year at 50+ or 50+ points a year at 30- the 'so what' is there is no realistic road-map from novice to GM/IM.  Well not one that is more realistic than Wile-E-Coyote's blue prints for catching the Road-Runner. 

Could a novice 1200 player make a road map to 1500 or a 1500 to 1800 or an 1800 to 2000 and not get lost.  I think they could.  After that, more time and more money and more talent are factors of increasing importance.  In 10 years if a novice player achieves or exceeds 1800 is he more likely to continue to play?  Or does a novice player who doesn't increase his rating 25 or 50 points a tournament on his near impossible goal to a title quit in disappointment or fear of lost points when they realise they are not going to be where they think they need to be?

This is not directed specifically at the OP but more to every novice who thinks the chess fairy is going to grant them the three wishes of FM, IM, and GM.