1.d4 is indeed the best first move

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TooBadLynxWasTaken
Immaculate_Slayer wrote:
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1d4wins wrote:

If you are serious about gaining the maximum chances to win a game as white you have to play 1.d4. It is by far the best for multiple reasons. 

It is very dynamic, you can play sharp lines or play very safe and calm lines depending on what you want. 

It is very very complex, there are a lot more choices than for example in e4 lines. Alone against the Kingsindian Defence White can choose between 10 continuations which then subdivide in multiple different ways to follow up.

It is a must play if you want a draw or equal position against a stronger player. Playing d4 allows you to get dry and equal or at least very balanced positions by force if you know how. If you play 1.e4 black can for example play the Sicilian which WILL lead to imbalanced and sharp positions which favor the better player.

With 1.d4 you can build up a repertoire with a lot of dynamics, where you can choose between different options. For example instead of always following the mainlines you can also go with the Veresov or Colle or Trompovsky. You can switch move orders in most 1.d4 variations which gives you extra options.

If you are decently booked up with White as a 1.d4-player you can not have any trouble in or after the opening.

Period.   

 

No

Dude this is literally the most epic answer I've ever seen on chess.com to a stupid affirmation

Hahaha, It's funny because while d4 is tricky it's worse theoretically (according to computers) and if you're trying to be tricky then there are other options. I love the English since no one knows how to play against it. 

 

I suppose you can just play the anglo-Indian? It's generally the most simple I guess, as white will eventually play d4 and transpose to the Indian game in most cases, but I personally prefer the symmetrical variation

There are also other variations where the anglo Indian (I looked it up) cannot be played. I guess I have to invest some time into that. Thank you for the heads up.

 

tygxc

"1 d4 dull & drawish" - Fischer
"I have never opened 1 d4 on principle" - Fischer
Fischer did open 1 c4 against Spassky in 1972 as a surprise, but he stayed true to his principle.

At the Yekaterinburg Candidates 1 e4 was played more and with more success than 1 d4.

EKAFC

I love d4 except when people play the London and the Exchange Slav. I love playing a Botvinnik Semi-Slav and it really disappoints me that people don't want to play into it

d4Nf6Bg51-0

yes

mister_bludgeon

Context matters. Are we talking a 5-, 10-, 60-minute game, or 3 days? Putting opponents out of their comfort zones by doing something you think they don't expect and may not know how to handle sounds like a plan for shorter games where they don't have as much time to think.

fahadmuhammad248

good leason

galaxytractor

I've played both, and although 1 e4 is not better it is easier to get an upset victory at the club level with 1 e4. I still like 1 d4 though.

Psychic_Vigilante

1d4 is indeed one of the openings which together with the Alekhine Defence and the Schliemann (Ruy Lopez) was what almost made me give up chess. For a very long time I considered 1d4 overpowered because it is very hard to face in practice

-White has a risk free game

-All the tactics if any seem to be in white`s favour

-Once your position as black becomes even slightly inferior it stays so and continues to deteriorate until you lose in lackluster fashion getting the impression you never stood a chance

-The nature of the losses is extremely demoralising as they seem pretty one sided in most cases

-It is close to impossible to unbalance the game. It feels like you are in a fight with your hands tied behind your back.

HOWEVER, all of this changed when I started playing the Dutch defence. I had tried all the classical systems with little success and I kept getting stopped around the 2300 level, because the 2300+ seemed to be virtually unbeatable with their 1d4. It took two years to learn the Dutch simply because believe it or not there are not that many good resources really drilling down to what you really need to do in the Dutch as a beginner Dutch player. If you are struggling against 1d4 I highly recommend the Dutch defence. White cannot decline the Dutch and can get blasted off the board completely if not careful or if they underestimate it. No more easy positional grinds, no more unchallenged spatial gains, no more easy wins.

Here is an example from my practice and there are quite a few more on my channel in the same playlist.

https://youtu.be/Ip2-iLv2xwg?feature=shared

KentexplorerchessW

um the Dutch defense sucks also whoever wrote this forum I completely agree with cuz of this

ya itheris the bishop slaughter black and gives blacks castle a weak structure no matter what

KentexplorerchessW

by the way I made a forum about this too and it's isn't the largest chance to win its the most advantage for white If you want the largest chance to win play the reti

Psychic_Vigilante
KentexplorerchessW wrote:

um the Dutch defense sucks also whoever wrote this forum I completely agree with cuz of this

ya itheris the bishop slaughter black and gives blacks castle a weak structure no matter what

You say the Dutch Defence sucks but I think the only thing that likely "sucks" is your opening knowledge. Why are you even playing 2...Nf6 when 2...g6 first is much better against the Hopton Attack (Marin, Dutch Sidelines). If you think posting a suboptimal line that involves some blunders and a cheap checkmate refutes the Dutch Defence you are going to have to try better than this. Plus I really don`t think that you as a sub 1000 player are an authority on openings anyway. You are of course entitled to an opinion and I accept that but perhaps I`d be a little more reserved in my statements if I were you.

KentexplorerchessW

hey g6 doesn't work without that knight and you weaken your pawn structure if you kick the bishop and without that knight Your king is weak cuz you moved Fred the dumb f pawn

Psychic_Vigilante
KentexplorerchessW wrote:

hey g6 doesn't work without that knight and you weaken your pawn structure if you kick the bishop and without that knight Your king is weak cuz you moved Fred the dumb f pawn

Let me say this again: You have no idea what you are talking about. Not only g6 works perfectly well, g6 is the most popular and objectively best move in this position where white scores a mere 42%, please see below. It is a pretty weak score for an opening you claim to be a refutation of the Dutch defence.

Now lets re-cap, a grandmaster`s book (Mikhail Marin, Dutch Sidelines) recommends the move as best, this is backed by statistics and your beloved 1d4 scores a mere 42% but you somehow think the move is bad. I`m sorry to say but you have zero credibility for the reasons I have stated previously. My advice is at least do some basic research before you make bold statements about this or that opening being bad because you would have no clue otherwise as in this case.

Ubaksa
I disagree that 1.d4 is the best move because of 1.c4 because I play 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3 d5 4.cxd5 and I win about 35 games.
RageTamerCTK
LovelyNecklace wrote:

I have never played D4 in my life. I'm learning the Kings Indian attack right now with White against Caro-Kann defence, French defence and the Sicilian defence

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