5/5 Blitz opponents winning with a absurdly high accuracy/rating

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My consistent experience is that in 5/5 blitz the opponents who beat me consistently show an accuracy of 90 or above (even in games over 40 moves) and/or a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating.

Any ideas on why this is?

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KintaroSupremacy wrote:

My consistent experience is that in 5/5 blitz the opponents who beat me consistently show an accuracy of 90 or above (even in games over 40 moves) and/or a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating.

Any ideas on why this is?

Hmm, that's not what I see in your archive.

I see 4/13 of your last losses being to opponents who had accuracy scores above 90-- and two of those 4 were very short games.

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4/13 is extremly high! I say the same. I just complained about this. Blitz 5/5 so many accuracy is above 90. I didnt have any 90 accurracy games ln 3000 games. But here ppl have 90% all the time. But admin says accuracy doesnt say anything. Like.. Sure sure

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That's.....idk man just play a different time control and see if it changes anything.

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justbefair wrote:
KintaroSupremacy wrote:

My consistent experience is that in 5/5 blitz the opponents who beat me consistently show an accuracy of 90 or above (even in games over 40 moves) and/or a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating.

Any ideas on why this is?

Hmm, that's not what I see in your archive.

I see 4/13 of your last losses being to opponents who had accuracy scores above 90-- and two of those 4 were very short games.

Instead of providing insight, you "check" to see if...what, I'm lying? LOL. Weird behavior on your part. Regardless, I said accuracy above 90% AND/OR a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating. If you have nothing to add, not a big deal

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Regalbeginning wrote:

That's.....idk man just play a different time control and see if it changes anything.

So you don't know either. Exactly. It's weird

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Doubleswest wrote:

4/13 is extremly high! I say the same. I just complained about this. Blitz 5/5 so many accuracy is above 90. I didnt have any 90 accurracy games ln 3000 games. But here ppl have 90% all the time. But admin says accuracy doesnt say anything. Like.. Sure sure

Right?! And I'll lose to a 900-1100 and the game review says they played at a 1700 level. Regular occurance. Super frustrating.

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Other time controls don't seem to have this issue

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Ur just crazy, get better and you will destroy those people
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I had the same feeling when I used to play 5/5, that's why I switched to 5min flat and then eventually 3/0 ( you can call me a paranoid) but I don't have any solid evidence as such to prove that they are cheating.

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Apart from the usual: Report when you are suspicious, I will not comment about did they/didn't they situation, because that could lock your topic.

I just want to add that you shouldn't take accuracy and estimated rating too seriously as a cheat detection tool. If it is obvious for some account - like 95 every game, that is different of course, but apart from that, I would look at the games individually. Why?

Well, not every game is the same. If you drop a piece and give an easy time for the opponent, they are bound to have a high accuracy. The same goes for games where you exchange tons of things and have an equal endgame. There are probably more examples, but in those 2, one is expected to have relatively high accuracy.

And most important thing. Accuracy and estimated rating are toys, not serious tools. I am saying this because they are in some way influenced by ratings of players involved in those games. To put it simply, if instead your opponent, you played Magnus Carlsen, his accuracy and estimated rating would be lower for the same moves played (unless of course it was a perfect game, then I guess the ratings would be the same).

For instance, I had an unrated game against someone rated below 1 000. The game lasted for about 9 moves, he blundered a piece, then an exchange and then another piece or something like that and resigned. The result - his estimated rating was 1 300 and his acuracy was just below 70. Both of those are completely ridiculous.

Chess.com did that several years ago to encourage lower rated players. The result is that instead many 20 accuracy games by lower rated players, now most people are in the range of 50-90 or so.

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KintaroSupremacy wrote:
justbefair wrote:
KintaroSupremacy wrote:

My consistent experience is that in 5/5 blitz the opponents who beat me consistently show an accuracy of 90 or above (even in games over 40 moves) and/or a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating.

Any ideas on why this is?

Hmm, that's not what I see in your archive.

I see 4/13 of your last losses being to opponents who had accuracy scores above 90-- and two of those 4 were very short games.

Instead of providing insight, you "check" to see if...what, I'm lying? LOL. Weird behavior on your part. Regardless, I said accuracy above 90% AND/OR a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating. If you have nothing to add, not a big deal

As for this, I am not sure of course, but I think that he just misunderstood your first post. I think he understood it like: "5 out of 5 of my last blitz opponents had 90+ accuracy" where you meant "In blitz time control 5|5, my opponents tend to have 90+ accuracy". So, he answered with "4 out of 13 opponents ..."

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nklristic wrote:

Apart from the usual: Report when you are suspicious, I will not comment about did they/didn't they situation, because that could lock your topic.

I just want to add that you shouldn't take accuracy and estimated rating too seriously as a cheat detection tool. If it is obvious for some account - like 95 every game, that is different of course, but apart from that, I would look at the games individually. Why?

Well, not every game is the same. If you drop a piece and give an easy time for the opponent, they are bound to have a high accuracy. The same goes for games where you exchange tons of things and have an equal endgame. There are probably more examples, but in those 2, one is expected to have relatively high accuracy.

And most important thing. Accuracy and estimated rating are toys, not serious tools. I am saying this because they are in some way influenced by ratings of players involved in those games. To put it simply, if instead your opponent, you played Magnus Carlsen, his accuracy and estimated rating would be lower for the same moves played (unless of course it was a perfect game, then I guess the ratings would be the same).

For instance, I had an unrated game against someone rated below 1 000. The game lasted for about 9 moves, he blundered a piece, then an exchange and then another piece or something like that and resigned. The result - his estimated rating was 1 300 and his acuracy was just below 70. Both of those are completely ridiculous.

Chess.com did that several years ago to encourage lower rated players. The result is that instead many 20 accuracy games by lower rated players, now most people are in the range of 50-90 or so.

Thanks, I'll take that into consideration

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nklristic wrote:
KintaroSupremacy wrote:
justbefair wrote:
KintaroSupremacy wrote:

My consistent experience is that in 5/5 blitz the opponents who beat me consistently show an accuracy of 90 or above (even in games over 40 moves) and/or a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating.

Any ideas on why this is?

Hmm, that's not what I see in your archive.

I see 4/13 of your last losses being to opponents who had accuracy scores above 90-- and two of those 4 were very short games.

Instead of providing insight, you "check" to see if...what, I'm lying? LOL. Weird behavior on your part. Regardless, I said accuracy above 90% AND/OR a game review estimated rating level at least 400 points above their stated rating. If you have nothing to add, not a big deal

As for this, I am not sure of course, but I think that he just misunderstood your first post. I think he understood it like: "5 out of 5 of my last blitz opponents had 90+ accuracy" where you meant "In blitz time control 5|5, my opponents tend to have 90+ accuracy". So, he answered with "4 out of 13 opponents ..."

I think you're right about that. Either way, it's annoying he felt the need to check if I was lying or "just making stuff up". Completely unnecessary.

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KintaroSupremacy wrote:

... Either way, it's annoying he felt the need to check if I was lying or "just making stuff up". Completely unnecessary.

Actually it's pretty normal when someone says "this is happening in my games", for people to go look at your games and see whether they agree with your assessment. There's no need to assume they thought you were lying. They just said " I see it differently"

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GumboStu wrote:
KintaroSupremacy wrote:

... Either way, it's annoying he felt the need to check if I was lying or "just making stuff up". Completely unnecessary.

Actually it's pretty normal when someone says "this is happening in my games", for people to go look at your games and see whether they agree with your assessment. There's no need to assume they thought you were lying. They just said " I see it differently"

LOL, no it's not normal. My observation about what's happening with my 5|5 games was not in the category of "assessment"...it was in the category of "simple fact I have no reason to lie about"

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Well if he thought that you basically said that every (5 out of 5) opponent is having 90+, he probably felt the need to tell you that it is not as bad as you may think, not that you are really lying. But that is the thing with the written word, something gets misinterpreted and problems arise. happy.png

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gracias

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nklristic wrote:

Well if he thought that you basically said that every (5 out of 5) opponent is having 90+, he probably felt the need to tell you that it is not as bad as you may think, not that you are really lying. But that is the thing with the written word, something gets misinterpreted and problems arise.

My observation about my 5|5 games is a simple fact that is impossible to "get wrong", hence no need for him to see if I need to be "corrected" about that. You and I are not going to agree on this, though I appreciate your positive attitude

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Its 90% for sure that the people who use the engines reply u here and says that : no 90% doesnt mean cheat. So is a case lost however we do.