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kindaspongey
Nwap111 wrote:

... learn about an idea usually played in that opening variation but which is a mistake to play in the position before them. ...

Are mistakes part of the normal learning process?

kindaspongey
Nwap111 wrote:

...  If they wish to improve, analysis of their own games, learning how to get better at analysis, and studying combinations would make them stronger.

As part of learning, aren't beginners commonly encouraged to look at illustrative games?

Nwap111

All books are not the same, but the style, the form they follow is directed toward the club player.  I love chess books.  But each player has to decide the best way to improve.  I can tell you from experience that opening books and manuals  per se do not foster rapid improvement.  One simply has to play, serious, OTB chess.  No bullet.  No 3 min chess.  OTB chess.

Nwap111

Mistakes are part of learning, which is why I stress, as does Grandmaster Yermolinski ---Spongy---to play an opening before studying it.

kindaspongey
Nwap111 wrote:

All books are not the same, but the style, the form they follow is directed toward the club player. ...

Does a title like "First Steps …" suggest somewhat of a departure from the usual direction?

kindaspongey
Nwap111 wrote:

... I can tell you from experience that opening books and manuals  per se do not foster rapid improvement. ...

In this thread, do you see someone advocating "opening books and manuals  per se"?

kindaspongey
Nwap111 wrote:

...  One simply has to play, serious, OTB chess. ...

In this thread, do you see anyone advising against "serious, OTB chess"?

kindaspongey
Nwap111 wrote:

...  No bullet.  No 3 min chess.  ...

In this thread, do you see anyone advocating "bullet" or "3 min chess"?

kindaspongey
Nwap111 wrote:

... I stress, as does Grandmaster Yermolinski ---Spongy---to play an opening before studying it.

"... Suppose, there's a theoretical line I consider useful for expanding my opening repertoire. For such cases I've got my standard operating procedure. I select a few games played (and, preferably, annotated) by top players and look at them carefully. ... I realize, of course, that my knowledge is much greater than one of a rank-and-file player, and that helps me to apply the methods described above. ..." - GM Alex Yermolinsky (1999)

Perhaps, for some, a reasonable modification would be to start by looking at some games in a First Steps book?

Caesar49bc
Nwap111 wrote:

The problem I have seen with alot of 1500(otb, uscf) players is they get those books, learn about an idea usually played in that opening variation but which is a mistake to play in the position before them.  If they wish to improve, analysis of their own games, learning how to get better at analysis, and studying combinations would make them stronger.

It can be difficult for players, until they reach a certain skill level, to self identify what they should work on to improve their skill level. It makes it hard to focus on what most needs improving when you know you need to improve in all areas of chess.

After a certain level of skill, which is unique to every chess player, but almost certainly over 1600 or perhaps even over 1700 USCF, they'll feel comfortable with their skill level in certain areas, or at least comfortable enough that they can identify what areas of chess they need to focus on improving.

Prometheus_Fuschs
ghost_of_pushwood escribió:

Another one of these "Boasting About Your Kid" threads...

Can you boast an 1100 rating?

kindaspongey
Caesar49bc wrote:
Nwap111 wrote:

...  If they wish to improve, analysis of their own games, learning how to get better at analysis, and studying combinations would make them stronger.

It can be difficult for players, until they reach a certain skill level, to self identify what they should work on to improve their skill level. It makes it hard to focus on what most needs improving when you know you need to improve in all areas of chess. ...

As part of learning, aren't beginners commonly encouraged to look at illustrative games?

Caesar49bc
kindaspongey wrote:
Caesar49bc wrote:
Nwap111 wrote:

...  If they wish to improve, analysis of their own games, learning how to get better at analysis, and studying combinations would make them stronger.

It can be difficult for players, until they reach a certain skill level, to self identify what they should work on to improve their skill level. It makes it hard to focus on what most needs improving when you know you need to improve in all areas of chess. ...

As part of learning, aren't beginners commonly encouraged to look at illustrative games?

Depends on their skill level. They have to enough grasp of chess that they could follow the analysis of an illuatrative game.

For lower level players, illuatrative game positiona are much easier to follow and digest.

In any event, illuatrative ganes usually only illustrate the section of the game that's germaine to the topic being discussed.

kindaspongey
Caesar49bc wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Caesar49bc wrote:
Nwap111 wrote:

...  If they wish to improve, analysis of their own games, learning how to get better at analysis, and studying combinations would make them stronger.

It can be difficult for players, until they reach a certain skill level, to self identify what they should work on to improve their skill level. It makes it hard to focus on what most needs improving when you know you need to improve in all areas of chess. ...

As part of learning, aren't beginners commonly encouraged to look at illustrative games?

Depends on their skill level. They have to enough grasp of chess that they could follow the analysis of an illuatrative game. ...

Are there books that contain games with explanations intended for beginners?

kindaspongey
Caesar49bc  wrote:

... For lower level players, illuatrative game positiona are much easier to follow and digest. ...

Are illustrative games found in many beginner books?

kindaspongey
Caesar49bc  wrote:

... In any event, illuatrative ganes usually only illustrate the section of the game that's germaine to the topic being discussed.

Necessarily referring to First Steps books here?

"... Throughout the book you will find many examples (and exercises, to keep you busy!) involving forks, pins, skewers, discovered attacks, discovered checks, double checks, removing defenders and so on. ... Take in the first few moves and the key ideas, and then try it out in your games! …" - GM John Emms (2018)

Caesar49bc
kindaspongey wrote:

Are there books that contain games with explanations intended for beginners?

 

Try using a search engine.

kindaspongey
"... As part of learning, aren't beginners commonly encouraged to look at illustrative games?" - kindaspongey
"Depends on their skill level. They have to enough grasp of chess that they could follow the analysis of an illuatrative game. ..." - Caesar49bc
Caesar49bc wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

Are there books that contain games with explanations intended for beginners?

Try using a search engine.

I didn't ask for names. I asked about whether or not there are such books. Apparently, you do not want to dispute that they exist.

Caesar49bc
kindaspongey wrote:
"... As part of learning, aren't beginners commonly encouraged to look at illustrative games?" - kindaspongey
"Depends on their skill level. They have to enough grasp of chess that they could follow the analysis of an illuatrative game. ..." - Caesar49bc
Caesar49bc wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

Are there books that contain games with explanations intended for beginners?

Try using a search engine.

I didn't ask for names. I asked about whether or not there are such books. Apparently, you do not want to dispute that they exist.

I wasn't planning on looking for any.

kindaspongey
Caesar49bc  wrote:

... I wasn't planning on looking for any.

I guess it is sufficient that you do not dispute the existence of books that contain games with explanations intended for beginners.