A 3000 could easily beat a 2000, but could a 4000 easily beat a 3000?

EndgameStudier

When a rating gets 3000 and above, it's all the same right? A 10,000 vs a 3000 would be a challenge.

JustARandomPatzer

Hahaha... Maybe. Call me when someone gets to 4000.

HungryHungry

If Zeus were playing Magnus Carlsen, he would whoop his ass right?

LM_player
I'd say it would most likely be a draw.
drmrboss

At 3000+ engines level , draw rate is more than 90%, At 3300+, full destkop haradware (let us say 16-32 cores ) stockfish vs stockfish, Komodo, Houdini in standard games, drawrate is beyond 95%. So computer programmmers from talkchess forum estimated that, the rating of perfect engine will be between 3500-4500. Remember , chess is a verydrawish game, and an engine with 500 rating diffference can draw another higher engine very freqnently and the rating of higher engine will drop very significantly. 

EndgameStudier

I think my question is perfectly reasonable. At a certain point, the players are so good that no matter what the difference in rating is, the game will be very hard.

EndgameStudier

No I anit

EndgameStudier

I ain't a troll. Serious question. Come on man

change000

is anyone having IQ of 200 smarter than one having  IQ of100? wink.png

EndgameStudier

Yes, but you couldn't tell the difference between a 2000 IQ and a 1000 IQ

Matsau

I totally agree, at a certain level chess is nothing but a draw. A win in chess is based on your opponents mistakes which you must punish. No mistakes, no win!!!! Nothing but a dead draw!!!

EndgameStudier

Who knows.

Matsau

I mean the only advantage white has in the opening is because he has the initiative and more or less dictates the pace of the game. With perfect play, this advantage gets liquidated in the middle game, always. 

Smoothfang

Depends who is white. Computers make mistakes. The most recent top computer game featured a win.https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/tcec-2017-stage-2/14/1/2. In my opinion, a top engine won't reach 4000 by itself. There has to be a new era where new engines crush the current ones and get ~3600, then the top engine of this new group might get close to 4000. In our current state, it might take decades. Answering the OP if an engine gets 4000, that means it consistently beats 3000+ or else it can't get to 4000 in the first place. Thus, a 4000 rated engine would crush a 3000 rated engine. Whether a computer ever gets to 4000 is a different question.

ayesdeeef

Yes, the 4000 would crush the 3000 just like a 2000 crushes a 1000. ELOs are relative, so if the 3000 ELO was a perfect player and couldn't be beaten, then noone could attain 4000 ELO.

Smoothfang
ayesdeeef wrote:

Yes, the 4000 would crush the 3000 just like a 2000 crushes a 1000. ELOs are relative, so if the 3000 ELO was a perfect player and couldn't be beaten, then noone could attain 4000 ELO.

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EndgameStudier

Good point. That's what I was saying. One can only play the best moves, not better.

JamesAgadir

For somebody to reach a rating of 4000 he would have to be beating 3000 rated engines most of the time if not he wouldn't be able to get that rating.

JamesAgadir

Oh well I think that my point was already said. I only read the first page. My bad

EndgameStudier

Doubt it. Stockfish can't even tell that these are illegal: