A thought on manners

EDIT: Based on the mass amount of people refusing to read this entire post let me say this first, THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT BLITZ/BULLET/SHORT TIME/OTB type scenarios.

This may be just me, but I find it incredibly rude when a player plays out a lost scenario.  And I'm talking Queen-King vs. King type scenarios.  

When you have a king vs. queen king or rook king, and you don't resign this is what I hear, "Well you're bad and I assume you will mess up and get me a stalemate."

Maybe it's just me, but not resigning in those situations says that to me.  Personally I assume everyone I'm playing is fully capable of finishing such end games and just resign.  

This applies to online chess only, or live chess with tons of time on the clock, because for sure if in a blitz or bullet game with a time crunch and only seconds to move during end game even the best players can mess up!  

As another caveat, yes I understand that playing out those end games can help teach you how not to mess them up, but this is about what my opponent is saying to me via his actions.

Maybe I'm just petty, idk.

I comletely agree. This behavior looks to me insulting and disrespectful.

Minos 157, and alex3899 ...

Are we talking about blitz games? Bullet games? Slow games? Very slow games?

If someone is very low on time, it's not so bad. Some people just play bullet games to the bitter end, regardless of who they are playing.

Trying to use the clock to beat someone on time, when your position is totally lost, is rather thuggish and could be taken as an insult. But it is what it is - somebody is just trying to win or draw instead of lose. I always feel like I've been robbed.

Some endgames, though very basic, are just tough if you don't have enough time.

King + Queen vs King is not one of those end games and neither is King + Rook vs King.

This is why you should play with an increment.

I would recommend to both of you to work on basic checkmates and play some bullet games, with an increment. Play every game to the bitter end. Maybe you should have an independent study session of 1 to 2 hours, or less, of just working on basic check mates followed by a session of bullet chess; where you put this practice to use. You have to have the increment, though. No flat time controls.

Work on these endings by your self and play both sides.

Nex time someone insults you, MAKE THEM PAY!

It shouldn't take you longer than a minute to deliver mate with Q (or R)/K against a K.

However, I understand it's quite frustrating when your oponent is thinking half an eternity on every move he makes.

If you're playing bullet chess, you might not have 10 seconds to mate with a Queen or Rook + King vs King. Especially if it's 1/0 bullet.

For someone practicing basic mates, I would recommend 2/1 or 5/2. Also, drag the game out until check mate if you're the one losing.

If you don't have enough time in a game you simply did not manage one of your ressources (time in that case) well.

You're up a rook but for the price of time, which of those is worth more has to be proven on the board.

What I do in a scenario like this: I offer a draw. If my oponent takes it: fine, if not: fine as well, as there is only myself to blame.

cenith, that is ridiculous!

In a bullet game? If you've got the 2/1 increment, you should be able to finish most of these basic checkmates with only 1 second left.

The OP addressed the time controls.  I agree with you Minos. In an online game (days per move) or a live game with lots of time remaining on your clock, it does seem rude.  Sometimes I'll promote multiple pawns to "teach him a lesson". Not terribly mature, I know.  But hey, you should have resigned when I had one queen. Now deal with two or three.

Blitz is a different story. I can't tell you how many games I've lost on time with a significant material advantage.

Justs99171
Sorry, you're totally right. Didn't realize you were talking about bullet games with 2/1 increment.

Bobbarooski, I think it's rude in some blitz games. I can be disrespectful in some bullet, too, sometimes. If you're playing 2/1 bullet and you've got a full minute left and they are not resigning, that's absurd.

Mostly it's thuggish. If someone thugs a game out of me, I will do it back in a rematch; if I get the chance.

I've given guys draws in bullet games when they were low on time because it was a drawn position, but not if they tried to thug a 1 out of me.

Is this about manners or chess ettiquette ?  

I think it's about thugs?

Probably ettiquette.

Thanks for the help Bobba.  I addressed time controls in my OP.  I don't think it is rude in bullet or even a 45 minute game if I only have 30 seconds left.  The blitz tournament between Naka and Aronian showed what time pressure does to even simple end games.  

This is only in regards to LARGE amounts of time, especially online chess in particular.

Kayknight, Whiner of the month?  Really?

Ettiquette vs. manners - I thought they were the same?  IDK I'm an engineer not an english major xD

The Internet and the Web has changed our manners. Now, you've got the irl politeness and the "I block you!" for no good reason that happens thousands of times a day in the world, online. Including bad mannered chess players.

Get over it.

The rules are the rules. ettiquette and manners are suggestions. If you're not willing to prove you can  mate with just a rook or just a queen - and it doesn't take that long - then find another game to play. 

I was getting outplayed by a player ranking much lower than me once.

As the game progressed, it occurred to me that this was a person who probably just began playing chess - new to the game, but was a natural and would progress rather rapidly in the ranks as he/she continues to learn. We got down to me with just a king and he/she with a rook and king -

I played the thing out to the very end. It took a lot more moves for him/her to finally checkmate me, more than a seasoned player would. But it was interesting watching this person just trying to figure things out and not allow me to wiggle out of a checkmate.

I consider it being generous enough to provide a training ground for a beginning player ;)

But why accept that as the norm?  Why not work to change things?  Maybe somebody who is actually a nice person reads this and thinks, "Huh never thought how some may perceive that," and changes?

It doesn't take long, even in 7 day per move online tournaments generally.  It's more about the virtual nod that says, "Yeah youre not dumb here's your win."

Again, does not apply to severe time constraints.  1:0 games by all means play it out because I will mess up under pressure.