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llama36
Oct 27, 2022
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ALEXANDERALEKHlNE wrote:

those NNs though ruleless, lawless scallywags, were grandmasters in that matter of creativity. 

Seems awfully convenient to define skill-less people as brilliant simply for the fact that they have no skill.

I've never played golf in my life. Wouldn't it be nice to show up to a major golf tournament and claim I'm such a creative genius because I suck so bad.

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ALEXANDERALEKHlNE
Oct 27, 2022
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#22
llama36 wrote:
ALEXANDERALEKHlNE wrote:

Why should rules and regulations play a part in a game where creativity dominates? 

People misunderstand this all the time. Chess is not about creativity or intelligence, chess is first of all a skill.

Like any skill humans can apply creativity later, but only after they understand some basics. It's the same for anything, music, art, etc.

yes but only the basicest of skills, like how the peices move and how they capture. certainly other facets of theory, like pawn chains etc are a slap in the face of creativity which i contend should be the cornerstone of the game.

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ALEXANDERALEKHlNE
Oct 27, 2022
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#23
llama36 wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

The notion that there was no theory before Morphy overlooks that Morphy had access to Handbuch des Schachspiels (1843), and also overlooks how two centuries earlier Guilio Cesare Polerio's work was copied by Alessandro Salvio, and the work of both was copied by Gioachino Greco. Greco's work was published in several editions in several languages. As a result, a portion of Greco's theory can be found in databases today.

Ruy Lopez also copied Pedro Damiano, and was copied by Polerio. Many of those who copied the works of their predecessors added to it and argued with some of the ideas.

With Morphy, we get not the beginning of theory, but rather the beginning of theory that still holds some validity and importance today. 

Nice detailed history. People often forget there have been chess books for hundreds of years, and also that great players of any era studied the published games of their contemporaries. This includes Morphy, of course.

well then if morphy, too was one of them fools who memorised openings, i dismiss him into the igoble annals of they that pursue theory in the pursuit of greatness. 

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ALEXANDERALEKHlNE
Oct 27, 2022
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#24
llama36 wrote:
ALEXANDERALEKHlNE wrote:

those NNs though ruleless, lawless scallywags, were grandmasters in that matter of creativity. 

Seems awfully convenient to define skill-less people as brilliant simply for the fact that they have no skill.

I've never played golf in my life. Wouldn't it be nice to show up to a major golf tournament and claim I'm such a creative genius because I suck so bad.

golf unlike chess does not call for creativity. its a game heavily dependent on calculation, good eyesight, etc. a simple matter of aiming a ball. lmao. 

chess skill, as i have propounded, entails creativity to a far greater extent, so much so that chess theory is completely overshadowed for the purposes of this debate. 

so the debate rages on

 

 

 

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idilis
Oct 27, 2022
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#25
ALEXANDERALEKHlNE wrote:

*Snip* NN (a term associated in modern parlace with 'NN= no rule boy/weak at rule manipulation) was a battle of philidor creativity vs NN creativity

those NNs though ruleless, lawless scallywags, were grandmasters in that matter of creativity. 

You might be disappointed to learn that NN just meant anonymous 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_nescio

But maybe that's just you being creative.

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idilis
Oct 27, 2022
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ALEXANDERALEKHlNE wrote:

*Snip* so the debate rages on

Don't really see one here. There's a bunch of folks explains stuff to you and you ... well ... being creative.

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idilis
Oct 27, 2022
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llama36 wrote:

*Snip* Wouldn't it be nice to show up to a major golf tournament and claim I'm such a creative genius because I suck so bad.

Actually we do hear quite a bit of that here. Maybe we're just not creative enough.

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ALEXANDERALEKHlNE
Oct 27, 2022
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idilis wrote:
ALEXANDERALEKHlNE wrote:

*Snip* NN (a term associated in modern parlace with 'NN= no rule boy/weak at rule manipulation) was a battle of philidor creativity vs NN creativity

those NNs though ruleless, lawless scallywags, were grandmasters in that matter of creativity. 

You might be disappointed to learn that NN just meant anonymous 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_nescio

But maybe that's just you being creative.

disappointed, hardly, since i had not the honour of being acquainted with NN, be he normal nesco or nononymous. (Anonymous would AN)

nope, thats YOU being creative since you made that comment. 

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ALEXANDERALEKHlNE
Oct 27, 2022
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#29
idilis wrote:
ALEXANDERALEKHlNE wrote:

*Snip* so the debate rages on

Don't really see one here. There's a bunch of folks explains stuff to you and you ... well ... being creative.

if you call this a one sided explanation raging on, i am forced to view this as russia, where differences in opinion are ignored altogether in the pursuit of the ukrainian war.