Aborting a game before your first move should not be a violation!

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KenLisa1
It’s not a “battle of wits” it’s a beating, boring and unchallenging when someone falls behind that early in the opening.
blueemu
KenLisa1 wrote:
There is a reason why masters and GM’s don’t play first moves such as a4, h4, or b4 as opening moves...

GM Anthony Miles playing 1. ... a6 against then-current World Chess Champion Anatoly Karpov.

... and winning.

Anatoly Karpov vs Anthony Miles (1980) The Incorrect Opening (chessgames.com)

forked_again
ColinLovesChess wrote:

It is a violation because although it might not seem like much to you, it's pretty annoying to your opponent. So chess.com does not allow you to abort over and over again so when you abort it gives you that little popup about the sportsmanship policy. 

If someone aborts a game before the first move, it does not bother me at all.  I don't know why it would.  Maybe if you are a bullet addict and 10 seconds of no mouse clicking causes your nervous system to start going through withdrawls?  wink.png

forked_again
KenLisa1 wrote:
To forked_again, There is a reason why masters and GM’s don’t play first moves such as a4, h4, or b4 as opening moves as white. It’s because they are inferior moves. So yes I abort against moves like these in hopes that the poor smuck will learn from this and not play such moves in the future. It can take years to learn the Sicilian, why should I waste years trying to learn something that I already know is inferior. You say a novel position is a true battle of wits. I say there are no novelties on move one, just competent moves or mistakes.

I think you abort because you are afraid of losing when you are out of your comfort zone.  And that's the whole point for people who play novel opening moves.  In fact it is also a fundamental tactic used by grandmasters, to play a move to get their opponent "out of book".

I have to wonder why you would even list 1. Nf3 as a first move that is not "worth your time".  It is a very common first move.  And you are ok with not even trying to play it?

But it makes no sense to use grandmasters as an example.  An opening move of b4 against a GM is probably not the best way to insure a win, but at lower levels it makes little difference, as you or your opponent are not adequately skilled to play best moves going forward to reap the rewards of a weak move 1.   And if you think it is such a bad move, then why not play on and beat them?  Again I think you are afraid.  

Personally, I appreciate when my opponents play dumb openings, as I think I have an opportunity to punish them for their mistakes.  Many times I do, and many times the guy with the dumb moves beats me, and it is very frustrating!  But that is what chess is all about.  

I looked at your ratings, ad you are not skilled enough to claim that a bad opening strategy is a waste of your time.  If you want to be a good chess player shouldn't you be prepared to handle whatever your opponent throws at you? 

And as a final point, if you play over the board and you don't like your opponents first move, you can't abort, you can only play or resign.

duntcare
forked_again wrote:
Alistairbobo wrote:

One of my selected opponents, with a higher ranking than me, aborted before making the first move and I was awarded a win. I don't honestly think I should have been however.

 

  1. Normally aborting before the game doesn't have any affect on rating, unless a player has already been warned about aborting, then it will start counting as a Loss.  

aborting is dumb and also not, aborting not frequently will result in warning but they wont punish until lots

this is for people that need to go or something happened, but aborting because of rating is dumb bc you just keep aborting 

forked_again
blueemu wrote:
KenLisa1 wrote:
There is a reason why masters and GM’s don’t play first moves such as a4, h4, or b4 as opening moves...

GM Anthony Miles playing 1. ... a6 against then-current World Chess Champion Anatoly Karpov.

... and winning.

Anatoly Karpov vs Anthony Miles (1980) The Incorrect Opening (chessgames.com)

Thanks that makes the point better than my 6 paragraphs of bla bla bla above.  

Circumlocutions
If it’s not a violation then insidious racism issues could seep into this chess community
KenLisa1
In response to forked_again. The fact that World champion Karpov lost a mistake filled game to a lesser player, doesn’t justify the opening and somehow make this the magic move. I remember defeating Jennifer Shahade, the 2 time US women’s champion when she was 12 years old and played poorly. I take nothing from this and Miles shouldn’t either. You say that you appreciate when your opponents make dumb moves. That’s fine if you’re just here to obtain easy wins to pat yourself on the back and pretend that you’re better for it. If I defeat the fastest runner in the world because she fell down doesn’t make me any faster personally, I’m a USCF ‘A’ player. If you are stronger than that, then hats off to you. I only play bullet and blitz here to improve my play. If this were an over the board tournament, then of course I wouldn’t abort. I and most people use casual play to improve their game, not to wake up on third base and think they hit a triple. The reason why 99 percent of chess players, including you aren’t booked up on every single opening is because they and you don’t have time or don’t view it as an efficient use of time. So I practice the same concept here that you do only you don’t admit it. Improving my game in an efficient way is far more important than indulging someone’s pet opening and defeating a random stranger.
forked_again
KenLisa1 wrote:
In response to forked_again. The fact that World champion Karpov lost a mistake filled game to a lesser player, doesn’t justify the opening and somehow make this the magic move. I remember defeating Jennifer Shahade, the 2 time US women’s champion when she was 12 years old and played poorly. I take nothing from this and Miles shouldn’t either. You say that you appreciate when your opponents make dumb moves. That’s fine if you’re just here to obtain easy wins to pat yourself on the back and pretend that you’re better for it. If I defeat the fastest runner in the world because she fell down doesn’t make me any faster personally, I’m a USCF ‘A’ player. If you are stronger than that, then hats off to you. I only play bullet and blitz here to improve my play. If this were an over the board tournament, then of course I wouldn’t abort. I and most people use casual play to improve their game, not to wake up on third base and think they hit a triple. The reason why 99 percent of chess players, including you aren’t booked up on every single opening is because they and you don’t have time or don’t view it as an efficient use of time. So I practice the same concept here that you do only you don’t admit it. Improving my game in an efficient way is far more important than indulging someone’s pet opening and defeating a random stranger.

The Karpov example completely refutes your contention that a poor move 1 by your opponent means an easy win for you.  No one said a6 is a magic move.  Are you missing the point on purpose? Seems a bit trolly. 

At lower levels it is absolutely untrue that a poor move 1 means a loss. It seems to me that if you try to avoid unfamiliar openings you will be less prepared and more likely to fail when having to play someone who chooses an opening like that.  But do what you you want; stay in your comfort zone when you are able.  

SamtheMan

If you were in a tournament, and you got paired with someone much higher than you, you wouldn't even have a choice to abort. I just won a game with a 1550 to give me 17 points and put me over 1300. If I had aborted, that wouldn't have happened.

KenLisa1
To forked_again, because you didn’t read what I said and see what you want to see, is exactly why you’re missing the point. I said the moves were Inferior, I never once said that it was an easy win for me. What you are doing is the exact definition of trolling. My contention was that it wasn’t a good allocation of time. Which is exactly what this has become. I’m totally within the rules. Everyone sees your misquote and knows that this means that you are only trolling. I won’t debate someone that is imagining things 1-0
forked_again
KenLisa1 wrote:
 I never once said that it was an easy win for me.  early in the opening.

Yeah you did say that.  You are a troll and now I'm wasting my time correcting your lies.  Your exact quote is:

It’s not a “battle of wits” it’s a beating, boring and unchallenging when someone falls behind that early in the opening.

You pretend like its not a challenge in order to justify running away because you are scared of the unfamiliar.  Which is fine.  That's your position, so embrace it.  Only play people who make moves you approve of.  I know you don't want to waste your time, losing.  

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KenLisa1
To forked_again….well I’m glad you were able to see your error and correct your misquote. Glad I was here to help you with that. Unfortunately the fact that you can’t see the weaknesses of these openings (or check the database for results in tournament play for these openings) is something that you will learn as you mature. Criticizing people for using their right to do something that is within the rules though is a very troubling trait. Not being able to force people to play your gimmick opening must be frustrating to you. Just like with fools mate or scholars mate, in time you will find ways to win that your opponent can’t steer away from. Don’t fret, In time you’ll also be able to accept the existing parameters that that this site has granted you.
StormCentre3

The OP is misguided here and there, a couple of off center ideas about “members rights to abort live games”. Perhaps trolling or not. The trolling by KenLisa1 is easily recognized as nothing but negative attention seeking, lacking merit,  just an excuse to spread his agenda of imagined superiority.