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Shivsky
AlCzervik wrote:
Shivsky wrote:

I guess you're saying you'd prefer the ads to be more subdued and less annoying than what they currently are?


If there were a Mr. Obvious trophy, you'd get one.

 

Aren't you the charmer :)

Jimmykay
ChessMadam wrote:

I am really surprised at Chess.com, it's a classy site and I am disappointed they have made the decision to totally ruin free chess with distracting advertisements. I am not talking about  run of the mill adverts. I accept those, I don't pay. But to totally ruin games with fast moving, flashing adverts is really tacky. 

It does not tempt me to pay to avoid the adverts, it makes me want to leave a site that uses such tactics. Shame on the marketing team, I was considering becoming a paying member but this latest move has made me reconsider. I hope others will make the same decision as I have if chess.com continues with this strategy.

Please help me understand...What ads are you talking about? As a paying member I do not see them.

You are blaming the chess.com's marketing team...are these ads for chess.com or ads for some product. If it is an ad for an outside product, I doubt that chess.com's marketing team is responsible.

DiogenesDue
NomadicKnight wrote:
btickler wrote:

P.S. Does the US Chess League know you are borrowing their logo?

What are they gonna do, sue me? LOL! It's public domain smart guy. Do you see a copyright logo anywhere on the image?

So your knowledge of copyright and trademark law is as good as your knowledge of internet advertising ;)...

Please tell me you understand that (a) copyright always applies, regardless of whether a notice is posted, and (b) "public domain" does not apply to everything that is unmarked.  Not even close.

Quit while you're behind.

Jimmykay
ChessMadam wrote:

I am really surprised at Chess.com, it's a classy site and I am disappointed they have made the decision to totally ruin free chess

I am fairly sure that chess.com is not in the business of free chess. They are in the business of converting non-paying members to members.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

I like some of the ads (especially... well, only the anime and bridal ones) but sometimes they'll have video adds so I'll end task on flash and/or plugin in the task manager to deal with it.  Since chess is flashbased too don't do it during games. 

NomadicKnight
btickler wrote:
NomadicKnight wrote:
btickler wrote:

P.S. Does the US Chess League know you are borrowing their logo?

What are they gonna do, sue me? LOL! It's public domain smart guy. Do you see a copyright logo anywhere on the image?

So your knowledge of copyright and trademark law is as good as your knowledge of internet advertising ;)...

Please tell me you understand that (a) copyright always applies, regardless of whether a notice is posted, and (b) "public domain" does not apply to everything that is unmarked.  Not even close.

Quit while you're behind.

I would say the same to you. Please, I encourage you to report me to USCL, watch how hard they laugh at you. In this modern internet age you cannot hope to protect a small symbol. It isn't worth the time and bother (not to mention legal fees). Most courts would throw any case like that out so fast you'd think it was a hot rock. Fact is unless you want to protect something online as personal intellectual property you have to take some measures to do that. The USCL has not in the case of the image you are so butthurt about me using. Also understand that your Google advertising account doesn't reflect ALL of the internet, so don't even pretend to be the authority on how it works. Clearly you're trying to pose as some internet entrepeneur/legal expert. That's -3 points for you. Care to try for negative 4?

DiogenesDue
NomadicKnight wrote:
I would say the same to you. Please, I encourage you to report me to USCL, watch how hard they laugh at you. In this modern internet age you cannot hope to protect a small symbol. It isn't worth the time and bother (not to mention legal fees). Most courts would throw any case like that out so fast you'd think it was a hot rock. Fact is unless you want to protect something online as personal intellectual property you have to take some measures to do that. The USCL has not in the case of the image you are so butthurt about me using. Also understand that your Google advertising account doesn't reflect ALL of the internet, so don't even pretend to be the authority on how it works. Clearly you're trying to pose as some internet entrepeneur/legal expert. That's -3 points for you. Care to try for negative 4?

I am an internet entrepeneur (and have 11 years of ISP experience prior to that), who also had to learn a thing or two about image copyrights and logo trademarks, but that's another story ;).

It doesn't matter that the USCL won't go after you because enforcement is too costly for the benefit...It's still illegal, and immoral.  A court would not be able to throw it out if the USCL wanted to pursue it, but of course that's not going to happen.  You are in the wrong on every footing except the assertion that the USCL would not go after you, and since I never claimed they would, it's a straw man and a moot point.

Score it any way you want to ;).  It's as meaningless a claim as all the others.  It's not my job to educate you (though I will, at $120/hr, if someone hires me to), I just want to make sure people reading this thread know you are full of it so they don't spread this kind of garbage around.

DiogenesDue
Steve212000 wrote:

They would have to prove that the use of copyrighted material was used for financial gain,or that such use deprived the copyright owner of financial gain.

Also not true...that is what they would have to do to collect damages.  They could still force someone to stop using the logo even if there are zero damages.

NomadicKnight

What a disillusioned person you appear to be... http://uschessleague.com/ There you go. You pursue your almighty righteous cause, thinking it's "immoral" and (this part I REALLY laugh at) "illegal", while the people who know better laugh at you. And great luck contacting them - Their contact link is disabled. Laughing

NomadicKnight
Steve212000 wrote:

They would have to prove that the use of copyrighted material was used for financial gain,or that such use deprived the copyright owner of financial gain.

Hey! Finally someone with some intelligence and actual knowledge of how the law works, especially in the cyber world, chimes in! So who's full of it now? Yup, YOU. Go read a book or something. Better yet, go search around Google. Look up cyber law as it applies to publicly displayed images.

NomadicKnight
400yearsofoppression wrote:
Steve212000 wrote:

They would have to prove that the use of copyrighted material was used for financial gain,or that such use deprived the copyright owner of financial gain.

None of you people have the slightest idea what you're talking about. 

Copyright law is one of your more complex legal fields and none of you obviously have, once again, the slightest idea what you're talking about.

On the purely theoretical side, yes this is a prima facie case of copyright infringement, irrespective of whether the user has any defense to it.  A prospective lawsuit on this issue would not be "dismissed as frivolous" since it technically has merit.  What you're thinking about is "de minimis," which is the real problem here.

On the practical side, nobody really cares about this, and two, even if the copyright holder did, how would he physically track the user down in order to sue him?

...and why would he waste the money in attempting to do so? Money Mouth

NomadicKnight

Until I see a copyright claim, the image stays up. How's that bite you "btickler"? Even then, I'll still keep it up because they WON'T give two cents care for me using it. Heck, it's even a bit of publicity for them.

DiogenesDue
Steve212000 wrote:
btickler wrote:
Steve212000 wrote:

They would have to prove that the use of copyrighted material was used for financial gain,or that such use deprived the copyright owner of financial gain.

Also not true...that is what they would have to do to collect damages.  They could still force someone to stop using the logo even if there are zero damages.

They could if the court accepted their complaint,but it could be dismissed as frivolous.

It would not be dismissed as frivolous if the person ignored multiple cease and desist letters and other various attempts/notices of copyright violations...and you don't even have to have that...see RIAA vs. random Napster users.

Again, though, it doesn't matter, since damages being recovered has no bearing on whether something is (a) illegal, and (b) immoral.

NomadicKnight

By the way "btickler", why do you even care? What business is it of yours? Or are you just the crusading type that picks up stupid causes to "fight" for?

DiogenesDue
NomadicKnight wrote:

Until I see a copyright claim, the image stays up. How's that bite you "btickler"? Even then, I'll still keep it up because they WON'T give two cents care for me using it. Heck, it's even a bit of publicity for them.

I don't really care ;).  You've already proven the measure of your character.  I pointed out why I posted already...so I will continue to debunk vague and silly claims.

DiogenesDue
400yearsofoppression wrote:

Hey!  I just had an idea about this...

Like a real life practical thought...

The copyright holder would probably first sue Chess.com!  #1, this site probably has more money, #2 definitely easier to physically find, and #3 is knowingly hosting and permitting this copyright infringement to be displayed on its own site.

The plot thickens.

That would only have teeth in terms of damages if the USCL could prove chess.com ignored the issue and if there were a "trend" of infractions being allowed without any action being taken.

NomadicKnight
btickler wrote:
NomadicKnight wrote:

Until I see a copyright claim, the image stays up. How's that bite you "btickler"? Even then, I'll still keep it up because they WON'T give two cents care for me using it. Heck, it's even a bit of publicity for them.

I don't really care ;).  You've already proven the measure of your character.  I pointed out why I posted already...so I will continue to debunk vague and silly claims.

You might want to pick a better thing to try and debunk then, because your posts keep getting funnier and funnier from the sheer stupidity of it all.. Just give up, you picked a stupid thing to bicker about, and clearly I am not changing my avatar, nor can USCL make me. If you want to try to convince them to give a second's thought to it, go ahead. It's your wasted time. NK out of this thread (and on to better things than bickering with a grossly misinformed, arrogant and egotistical person such as you). Have a nice day. Laughing

NomadicKnight
btickler wrote:
400yearsofoppression wrote:

Hey!  I just had an idea about this...

Like a real life practical thought...

The copyright holder would probably first sue Chess.com!  #1, this site probably has more money, #2 definitely easier to physically find, and #3 is knowingly hosting and permitting this copyright infringement to be displayed on its own site.

The plot thickens.

That would only have teeth in terms of damages if the USCL could prove chess.com ignored the issue and if there were a "trend" of infractions being allowed without any action being taken.

Oh one last thing to the "400" person: I got the image from a Chess.com posting. Are you saying they can't use it either? LOL. Bye now.

Dumb-Game
NomadicKnight wrote:
Dumb-Game wrote:

^ Wrong! it affect the revenue, the ads are there and if they are blocked they serve no purpose and if they serve no purpose then no more free chess or at least support the site like this needs.

Wrong. The ads are pre-paid by the advertiser. Not many advertisers still use per-click payments for their ads because so many people use anti-cookie software and other such programming to block the tracking of what content they are browsing. If you are unfamiliar with how ads work on internet websites I suggest you do a Google search on it.

I think you are wrong about that, not entirely but partly.  There are prepaid ads out there, however majority work on pay per click system.

But whatever the case ad are there as a form to generate revenue.  Any attempted to bypass that is stealing in my book.

Now if you see a problem with my above statement than you my friend are no more than a freeloader… keep on using your ad blocks…

And for the record a big YES every now and then I click on those ads just to generate some traffic from chess.com.  If I come to a point where they bother me so much I will pay the fee to have them removed [period].

Any further argument over this is mute.

 

 

Oecleus
NomadicKnight wrote:
btickler wrote:

P.S. Does the US Chess League know you are borrowing their logo?

What are they gonna do, sue me? LOL! It's public domain smart guy. Do you see a copyright logo anywhere on the image?

You kinda ignored the major part of his post and just commented on something you had a quick response to. It kinda makes you look like a fool..