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Is anyone using an AI Chess Coach and finding it helpful? It seems that there are many AI chess coaches, all similar, some bad and I'm wondering if there is a good one. 

I got to thinking about this with the new taketaketake product. I've not used their coach yet since, as of a few days ago, they weren't ingesting chess.com games. But it got me thinking, an AI chess coach might be a better alternative to NOT HAVING a human coach. (I do believe a good human coach, at least this year, will be much better than an AI coach.)

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When I had a human coach I improved much slower compared to when I didn't have any coach but I had chess books.
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I think AI coaches are even more useless.
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Fet wrote:
I think AI coaches are even more useless.

Have you tried any?

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Nobody has used one?

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What do you mean by AI chess coach?

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An AI chess coach is a website that analyzes your games and tells you, in plain language, what you did wrong and how to improve. There are about a dozen of them online right now. None of them seem useful to me, which is a shame.

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An AI coach worthy of the name should be able to interact in real time with the player.

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thereturnofthesnowfox wrote:

An AI coach worthy of the name should be able to interact in real time with the player.

I agree! You should be able to have a conversation with you AI chess coach and get meaningful, non-hallucinatory, answers. I've yet to find a good one.

I finally got talktalktalk to work and I wasn't impressed.

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Do you mean taketaketake?

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LOL, yes. Too funny. Taketaketake

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if you think for a second an AI chat bot can understand how a human things when we all think differently, id like to sell you some BS for 1000 dollars. Because that's AI psychosis. And you're clearly easily manipulated into believing anything.

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gainingratingisalie wrote:

if you think for a second an AI chat bot can understand how a human things when we all think differently, id like to sell you some BS for 1000 dollars. Because that's AI psychosis. And you're clearly easily manipulated into believing anything.

I love all of these assumptions about what you believe people will want from an AI coach, followed by a BS diagnosis. You know instead of imagining what people might want from an AI you could just ask.

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thereturnofthesnowfox wrote:
gainingratingisalie wrote:

if you think for a second an AI chat bot can understand how a human things when we all think differently, id like to sell you some BS for 1000 dollars. Because that's AI psychosis. And you're clearly easily manipulated into believing anything.

I love all of these assumptions about what you believe people will want from an AI coach, followed by a BS diagnosis. You know instead of imagining what people might want from an AI you could just ask.

one AI psychosis is a real diagnosis. two you are stupid if you think if an AI coach can even get close to what a human who actually has intuition can teach you.

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gainingratingisalie wrote:
thereturnofthesnowfox wrote:
gainingratingisalie wrote:

if you think for a second an AI chat bot can understand how a human things when we all think differently, id like to sell you some BS for 1000 dollars. Because that's AI psychosis. And you're clearly easily manipulated into believing anything.

I love all of these assumptions about what you believe people will want from an AI coach, followed by a BS diagnosis. You know instead of imagining what people might want from an AI you could just ask.

one AI psychosis is a real diagnosis. two you are stupid if you think if an AI coach can even get close to what a human who actually has intuition can teach you.

Can you stop assuming what I want.
So, apparently you seem to think I want an AI coach to replace a human coach, which I don't.
1. Because I don't want a human coach in the first place.
2. Because I don't know what functions this hypothetical AI coach will have.

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thereturnofthesnowfox wrote:
gainingratingisalie wrote:
thereturnofthesnowfox wrote:
gainingratingisalie wrote:

if you think for a second an AI chat bot can understand how a human things when we all think differently, id like to sell you some BS for 1000 dollars. Because that's AI psychosis. And you're clearly easily manipulated into believing anything.

I love all of these assumptions about what you believe people will want from an AI coach, followed by a BS diagnosis. You know instead of imagining what people might want from an AI you could just ask.

one AI psychosis is a real diagnosis. two you are stupid if you think if an AI coach can even get close to what a human who actually has intuition can teach you.

Can you stop assuming what I want.
So, apparently you seem to think I want an AI coach to replace a human coach, which I don't.
1. Because I don't want a human coach in the first place.
2. Because I don't know what functions this hypothetical AI coach will have.

i haven't assumed anything about you want. But you made it pretty clear you think an AI chat bot's advice is going to make just as much sense as a human and not be incorrect. Which is literally part of AI psychosis. Do w/e you want. What do I care if you brain rot your self with AI?

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gainingratingisalie wrote:
thereturnofthesnowfox wrote:
gainingratingisalie wrote:
thereturnofthesnowfox wrote:
gainingratingisalie wrote:

if you think for a second an AI chat bot can understand how a human things when we all think differently, id like to sell you some BS for 1000 dollars. Because that's AI psychosis. And you're clearly easily manipulated into believing anything.

I love all of these assumptions about what you believe people will want from an AI coach, followed by a BS diagnosis. You know instead of imagining what people might want from an AI you could just ask.

one AI psychosis is a real diagnosis. two you are stupid if you think if an AI coach can even get close to what a human who actually has intuition can teach you.

Can you stop assuming what I want.
So, apparently you seem to think I want an AI coach to replace a human coach, which I don't.
1. Because I don't want a human coach in the first place.
2. Because I don't know what functions this hypothetical AI coach will have.

i haven't assumed anything about you want. But you made it pretty clear you think an AI chat bot's advice is going to make just as much sense as a human and not be incorrect. Which is literally part of AI psychosis. Do w/e you want. What do I care if you brain rot your self with AI?

I have literally never said anything that remotely suggests that.
"2. Because I don't know what functions this hypothetical AI coach will have." is what I said.
No comparison between a AI and a human, no statement about whether it will be correct or not.

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Can we get back on topic? I’d like to hear if anyone has had a positive experience? The various websites all have glowing reviews, but that could all be faked.

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Consider this game where I messed up a lot: https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/daily/926380203/analysis?move=0

I asked Claude about this via an open source chess analysis program. (And no, I won't reveal it, the author has opened it up to a small community and he'll talk about it here when he is ready.)

He's what I got from its AI with suitable prompting. On the surface, this looks pretty good. I've actually not gone over it sentence by sentence, I can do that tomorrow. But on a quick scan I think it is spot on. It picked up I was playing Pirc and my e5 push was ill-timed.

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You lost this game primarily because of missed tactical opportunities in the middlegame and a failure to develop your pieces actively when under pressure. The opening was reasonable — you set up a Modern/Pirc-style structure with 1...d6, 2...g6, 5...Bg7, and 6...O-O — but things started going wrong around move 9–11. After 8...h6 chased the knight, 9...Qa5 was an inaccuracy (the engine preferred 9...Bc8 retreating the bishop cleanly), and then 10...Bc8 was a significant mistake when 10...Nxe4 would have won material by capturing the knight that had just moved to e4. This was the biggest missed opportunity of the game — you had a chance to equalize or even gain an advantage, but instead retreated a bishop that had already moved twice for nothing.

The critical collapse came with 11...e5, which the engine flags as a major miss since 11...Nxe4 was still available and strong. After 12.Nxd6 White won a pawn and had a dominant knight on d6, and from that point you were fighting uphill. Later, 15...Ne8 was a blunder that let White keep a huge advantage when 15...Nh5 would have challenged the dark-square bishop more actively. By 18...c5 you were already lost, giving up more material in desperation.

In terms of what to study: first, tactical awareness — you repeatedly missed captures and exchanges that would have been favorable, particularly knight takes on e4. Practice puzzles focusing on piece exchanges and when to capture versus retreat. Second, work on piece activity — throughout the game your pieces were passive and retreating (Bg4-c8, Nf6-e8, Qa5-c7-d8) rather than fighting for squares. Third, study pawn structure decisions in the Pirc/Modern — understanding when ...e5 is good versus premature will help you avoid the kind of structural concession that gave White the d6 outpost. Finally, practice endgame technique — even in the lost position after queens came off, more active rook play and keeping your bishop developed earlier might have created more resistance.