Alcohol and Chess don't mix. Do not stay friends with those who drink so much to play chess. They are nothing but 502 animals.
Alcohol and chess!
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Masculine and honorable men never have problems with women - as feminist or as western as they want to be...
Although some women ARE trouble, of course...
TRextastic wrote:
I just went through all the players in this tournament I'm in and at least a quarter of them are men with their own face as their avatar. You also have no idea how many girls do it because if a girl doesn't do it, you assume she's a man.
And just because attention from desperate men is a possible consequence of a female using a photo of herself doesn't mean she wants the attention. I don't really want to bring up victim blaming, but that's pretty much what this is. You're suggesting the consequences are the fault of the victim (for lack of a better word, getting attention doesn't really make you a victim) just because they should know it might happen. That's like arguing everyone who gets into a car wants to die just because it's a possible outcome.
I use my face as my avatar for the following reasons:
It's what I do for pretty much every internet account. Not much thought goes into it. Your avatar is supposed to represent you. That's me. The female presence on this site should be very vocal. I think every girl should make it known and obvious that she is a girl so this site looks less overwhelmingly male. And maybe then desperate little boys will stop getting sweaty every time they encounter a female on here.You're far more intelligent and articulate than I gave you credit for based off of your chess ratings. Yes, I know essays could be written about why I shouldn't have done that. I'm admitting to the mistake.
I don't assume that a person is a man because they don't have a picture of themselves up, but based off of what I've said I would have come to the same conclusion. The reality is more like that I know it's just far more likely. I know that chess is a game that appeals to more men than women (you can base that off of many factors including but not limited to percentage of women at live chess clubs (or so I hear)) and I know that putting your picture up as your avatar appeals more to women than men.
Assumptions are good though. Everybody criticises them, but you try to live your life thinking only in terms of facts, things you know to be true. It's not possible. You won't last a day. Nearly everything is an assumption on some level. I remember when I used to play a lot of on-line poker. I was good. I made money. One of the things that helped me a little bit in that process was my assumption that everybody who had their pet dog as their avatar was a huge fish. It sounds silly but you won't believe how true it was. Random player = about 15% chance fish (at the stakes I played at). Dog avatar = 95% chance fish. It was incredible. I'm even only saying 95% out of yet another assumption that I somehow managed to avoid/not recognise the exceptions to the rule that must have been there, because I never recall ever once seeing any half decent player with a dog avatar. Ever. Assumptions are great as long as you remember that they are only that.
I don't agree with your possible outcome argument. It has truth, it just doesn't apply in situations like this where it's an almost unavoidable truth that you'll be harassed, not just a possible outcome. Certainly not on any level comparable to getting in a car and dying.
I do like your last point though. This site is overwhelmingly male, if nothing else it might make other women feel more confortable knowing that you're here too. I like that argument a lot. Maybe I like it more than I should simply because I've never thought of it before.
It's in a women's DNA to obsess over what she looks like. It's in her DNA to want to be seen, to want to be seen as attractive. So a women is more likely to post herself as her avatar. I get that. It's in a man's DNA to be overly competitive. To want to win at everything. To want to play a game like chess just to show that he can beat people at it.
People are different and that's fine. Just don't complain about an insignificant side affect. Block those guys and move on. The second you whine about it you become the bad guy. Nobody wants to hear about it. You knew it was coming. People could even make strong cases to say that you wanted the harassment. Don't go out in the sun without protection and then complain when you burn.
Sorry for the long reply.
P.S. 25%+ surprised me.
How's this thing about Oregon? I'm curious.
Have you tried one from another state? I suspect you would be "driven" to drink for the fourth time anyway.
It was an experiment, unfortunately it didn't work.
At least the beers remained usable!
Pulpofeira wrote:
I always assumed (as usual...) that the reason behind the dog avatar thing was because it is far more prevalent with people who were there to have fun, not make money. That's what made sense to me anyway. Obviously it's not relevant here. I have nothing against people with a dog as their avatar on here or on PokerStars for that matter...
trysts wrote:
Yes, it's been scientifically proven on numerous occassions I find hard to remember that alcohol improves chess performance. I'm a certified intoxicologist so I should know
There was a GM that met Carlsen. He Was so nervous that he needed vodka. He played even or better the first couple of hours, but later he became a bit inaccurate and lost. To mee it looks like the first couple of drinks might have helped him, and that more drinks made him inaccurate.
I did compete in cafechess. After one beer I was heading for table one. After two beers I made more mistakes.
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ChessOfPlayer wrote:
trysts wrote:
Yes, you're an idiot, you proved it. I was wrong to suggest that you weren't. You win. So now you can delete your comment, okay?
Thanks for your comments and advise, but I didn't mention bitch-fighting. ;)
Those comments I made were to a person who just popped into the thread to insult another member. Then he got his account closed so his comments disappeared, making it look like I'm not talking to anyone
Unfortunately is not an uncommon situation, don't worry!
so its pretty clear that Playing strength Does go down, espacially when hammered. but from a guy thats never seen this (I haven't played against drinking chess players - well knowingly).... what would you say is a bigger problem for chess players that have been drinking heavily?
- Seeing a big, game ending threat- like a one move checkmate threat
- Working out exactly what happens after an intricate exchange, or perhaps a big attack/counter attack variation
- See that one of your moves doesn't work or leads to a tactical loss
- Getting mixed up in your opening, or struggling to remember relevant positions, or technique
in short, observation, judgement, memory, or calculation? which is hampered first or most- or does it depend??
thegreat_patzer wrote:
so its pretty clear that Playing strength Does go down, espacially when hammered. but from a guy thats never seen this (I haven't played against drinking chess players - well knowingly).... what would you say is a bigger problem for chess players that have been drinking heavily?
Seeing a big, game ending threat- like a one move checkmate threat Working out exactly what happens after an intricate exchange, or perhaps a big attack/counter attack variation See that one of your moves doesn't work or leads to a tactical loss Getting mixed up in your opening, or struggling to remember relevant positions, or techniquein short, observation, judgement, memory, or calculation? which is hampered first or most- or does it depend??
For me, none of the above. For me it is not caring enough to calculate. I'm very bad for this anyway. I can be very lazy but if I've had a drink I'll very much just play in that old sac everything romantic style, but I'll not calculate anything at all. Not too dissimilar to how I play normally, just much worse. Against weak opponents this is usually fine, my judgement for the sacfrices isn't too impaired. I'll win faster and in prettier fashion than I otherwise would. Against better players I'll just lose because they'll see a defensive trick I didn't even try to look for.
If it came down to it and I was truely trying, I doubt I would be able to calculate well when drunk anyway. Memory would be fine. Observation, unsure but probably not too bad. Judgement is OK I think.
ChessOath wrote:
People are different and that's fine. Just don't complain about an insignificant side affect. Block those guys and move on. The second you whine about it you become the bad guy. Nobody wants to hear about it. You knew it was coming. People could even make strong cases to say that you wanted the harassment. Don't go out in the sun without protection and then complain when you burn.
I don't think I've just been complaining about it. I'm just standing up against the idea that any girl with her face as her photo is wanting attention. I can't say I've ever complained on here about the way I've been treated solely because of my photo. Most of the men who do act inappropriately are foreign and therefore live with very different customs. I put them in their place and move on. But I don't think it's wrong or ignorant to point out the harassment that does occur. Things don't change if no one points out what is wrong. There will always be guys like puppet master and celot.
Celot's issues with me have nothing to do with my gender, and I've never said anything of the sort. He made a very long forum post and I gave a reasonable response. But since at the very end I said, "your youtube story that you preface with is just confusing and I don't see it's relation to the rambling you do later on. Be more concise (this coming from the most long-winded person in the world)." He called me illiterate, uneducated, stupid, and hasn't stopped taking every chance he can to belittle me throughout other forums. It is what it is.
Puppet Master on the other hand, commented on my thread about wishing the blocking function did more. First, someone else mentioned that there was a bug on the site, and he said, "Are you gonna cry?" and then told me to grow up. And here we are. He's just negative and insulting in every thread I've seen.
Neither of these harassers have anything to do with my gender. Gender-based harassment I've never complained about. If it bothered me that much, I would change my photo as I have done on other sites and in video gaming.
alain978 wrote:
Now the question is: to beer or not to beer ?
I've had a lot of beer in my day and I still don't have a taste for it. Do they have hard root beer in Canada? Now that's a "beer" I can get behind.
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"We", there's very few of you. And every interaction I've had with you you've been rude/insulting to me or others. You're the one with the argumentative problem. You get into OTB fights and kicked out of chess clubs and you claim I'm the one with the confrontation issues lol. I don't complain about the way I'm treated on here other than direct, personal harassment from little boys like you. I don't whine about the way random foreign men creep on me or other girls in a random game. You're looking for neverfearthedark. I think it's kind of funny, actually. And I've also never been the one to bring up this topic of conversation. You're insulting me for no reason. Anger management, kiddo. You should try it.