Am I a chess master?!

Sort:
Jahgro
woodshover wrote:

 To poster above ^ Mathematicians disagree, I'm afraid. ^


Mathematicians disagree with what?  Do you honestly believe that if something is infinite it contains everything?  wow, go back to school.

Conflagration_Planet
Jahgro wrote:
woodshover wrote:

 To poster above ^ Mathematicians disagree, I'm afraid. ^


Mathematicians disagree with what?  Do you honestly believe that if something is infinite it contains everything?  wow, go back to school.


 With what you said. I thought that would be obvious.

Jahgro

You should study set theory.  I'm sure you will learn quite a bit of interesting information.

TheGrobe

A number of concrete examples have been given in this thread yet you continue to claim "mathematicians disagree"?  I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means for something to be infinite.

orangehonda

Consider that there are in infinite number of fractions between 0 and 1 (0.1, 0.01, 0.001 ...)  And further that between each of these are another infinite set of numbers -- so not only is there an infinite set between 0 and 1 there are an infinite amount of infinite sets -- all without ever actually reaching 1.  So you can see the idea that infinity should encompass everything doesn't work out.

JG27Pyth

Parallel lines converge at infinity. Doesn't this bother anybody? Because if they converge at infinity they must have been getting closer together just before infinity and you could stop and shreik: hey these lines aren't parallel, they're getting closer together! Or else the lines are parallel and then all of a sudden, at infinity, boop, they've converged. How do you draw that?

Also, woodshover, our universe isn't infinite (although we've imagined infinity from within our universe -- which counts for something) -- mathematical abstractions like the complete expansion of pi, are infinite.

Actual infinity is sooooooo much bigger than our universe. (And set theory tell us some infinities are infinitly bigger than other infinities.) If we wrote a 1,ooo,ooo digit section of the complete expansion of pi, on each particle of matter in the universe, on every atom in every sun... after every particle had it's little million digit portion of pi assigned, we'd have completed an infinitesimal portion of the complete expansion of pi. 

Conflagration_Planet
TheGrobe wrote:

A number of concrete examples have been given in this thread yet you continue to claim "mathematicians disagree"?  I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means for something to be infinite.


 I believe you have some fundamental misunderstandings yourself. That inflationary theory didn't originate with me. It originated with mathematicians and physicists.

Conflagration_Planet
orangehonda wrote:

Consider that there are in infinite number of fractions between 0 and 1 (0.1, 0.01, 0.001 ...)  And further that between each of these are another infinite set of numbers -- so not only is there an infinite set between 0 and 1 there are an infinite amount of infinite sets -- all without ever actually reaching 1.  So you can see the idea that infinity should encompass everything doesn't work out.


Actually, that's beside the point, but if you really believe it matters, you need to explain that to the  mathematicians, and physicists who say otherwise.

Conflagration_Planet
JG27Pyth wrote:

Parallel lines converge at infinity. Doesn't this bother anybody? Because if they converge at infinity they must have been getting closer together just before infinity and you could stop and shreik: hey these lines aren't parallel, they're getting closer together! Or else the lines are parallel and then all of a sudden, at infinity, boop, they've converged. How do you draw that?

Also, woodshover, our universe isn't infinite (although we've imagined infinity from within our universe -- which counts for something) -- mathematical abstractions like the complete expansion of pi, are infinite.

Actual infinity is sooooooo much bigger than our universe. (And set theory tell us some infinities are infinitly bigger than other infinities.) If we wrote a 1,ooo,ooo digit section of the complete expansion of pi, on each particle of matter in the universe, on every atom in every sun... after every particle had it's little million digit portion of pi assigned, we'd have completed an infinitesimal portion of the complete expansion of pi. 


 Inflationary theory states that it is infinite. But that IS just one theory of the universes origin.  The idea of an infinite universe sounds strange to me too, but that's what the theory states. 

TheGrobe
woodshover wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

A number of concrete examples have been given in this thread yet you continue to claim "mathematicians disagree"?  I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means for something to be infinite.


 I believe you have some fundamental misunderstandings yourself. That inflationary theory didn't originate with me. It originated with mathematicians and physicists.


I never said it didn't, I just don't think you've understood it correctly. 

Conflagration_Planet
TheGrobe wrote:
woodshover wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

A number of concrete examples have been given in this thread yet you continue to claim "mathematicians disagree"?  I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means for something to be infinite.


 I believe you have some fundamental misunderstandings yourself. That inflationary theory didn't originate with me. It originated with mathematicians and physicists.


I never said it didn't, I just don't think you've understood it correctly. 


 They said it plain as day. With an infinite number of particles in the universe, this earth (not to mention everything else) would sooner or later repeat. Not just once, but an infinite number of times. Anything that could have possibly happened to you on this earth has happened to you on another earth somewhere else in the universe. They don't of course, claim this as hard fact. It is just implied by the inflationary theory of the universe's origin. They also presented other theories that don't imply an infinite universe.

ilikeflags
tonydal wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

this thread blows


Yeah, this is the kind of thing that can make you well and truly sorry (not to mention bewildered) that the dinosaurs had to give way.

On the plus side, that AnthonyCG gif looks just like my uncle getting loaded on Thanksgiving.


nice

Conflagration_Planet
ilikeflags wrote:
tonydal wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

this thread blows


Yeah, this is the kind of thing that can make you well and truly sorry (not to mention bewildered) that the dinosaurs had to give way.

On the plus side, that AnthonyCG gif looks just like my uncle getting loaded on Thanksgiving.


nice


 Opinions are like holes, everybody's got one.

TheGrobe

Since we're on the subject of cosmology, opinions are like black holes, everybody's got one, and they almost always suck.

ilikeflags
woodshover wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:
tonydal wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

this thread blows


Yeah, this is the kind of thing that can make you well and truly sorry (not to mention bewildered) that the dinosaurs had to give way.

On the plus side, that AnthonyCG gif looks just like my uncle getting loaded on Thanksgiving.


nice


 Opinions are like holes, everybody's got one.


stupid threads aren't like holes though.  but this thread is pretty GD stupid.

goldendog

In some other universe the thread is called Am I a Cheese Master? and is much more enjoyable.

PrawnEatsPrawn
kramakintews wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

this thread blows


This thread has been 'flagged


Yep, the "knockers" have moved in and are here to stay.

orangehonda
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
kramakintews wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

this thread blows


This thread has been 'flagged


Yep, the "knockers" have moved in and are here to stay.


lol... ilikeflag's has undying hatred for this topic... it's funny Smile

ilikeflags
orangehonda wrote:
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
kramakintews wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

this thread blows


This thread has been 'flagged


Yep, the "knockers" have moved in and are here to stay.


lol... ilikeflag's has undying hatred for this topic... it's funny


haha...  loathing

Conflagration_Planet
ilikeflags wrote:
woodshover wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:
tonydal wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

this thread blows


Yeah, this is the kind of thing that can make you well and truly sorry (not to mention bewildered) that the dinosaurs had to give way.

On the plus side, that AnthonyCG gif looks just like my uncle getting loaded on Thanksgiving.


nice


 Opinions are like holes, everybody's got one.


stupid threads aren't like holes though.  but this thread is pretty GD stupid.


 So are you.