You might wish to organise a tournament directed at people who would wish to discuss their games after. I play so many games and wouldn't wanted to. I do use the engine to see where we went wrong, I otherwise don't like to hang about.
Analyse the game with the opponent: almost impossible?
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May 24, 2018
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Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:
You might wish to organise a tournament directed at people who would wish to discuss their games after. I play so many games and wouldn't wanted to. I do use the engine to see where we went wrong, I otherwise don't like to hang about.
I see. The engine tell you a lot about the game, but less about what your opponent saw. But yeah, I am also using the engine afterwards. At least something right?
May 24, 2018
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mickynj wrote:
In OTB tournaments I always take the opportunity to analyze the game with my opponent if he/she is willing. The outcome doesn't matter. But I get no pleasure out of sitting in a room by myself and typing! It always feel like a sterile and unsatisfactory substitute for a real conversation.
I feel the same about using an engine after online games. Perhaps the main problem is the anonymity here. Online opponents are like ghosts popping up to play and go again.
I'm guessing many people don't have the time to do a post-mortem. Or they are simply not interested or too lazy. More interested in getting on with their next game! Sadly, they probably miss an opportunity to learn and improve as well.
May 29, 2018
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mickynj wrote:
Maybe, but in my case it's just that sitting alone in a room and typing doesn't feel nearly as pleasant as going over the game face to face. It's just not a comfortable way of chatting
Perhaps this is the reason. But we are also chatting here about chess, why not to chat about a chat game where we spend hours to finish? I mean, in Daily Chess.
I think most people are not able to appreciate the value of something they don't have to pay. If a coach is chatting with a student about a game the student will perceive the whole thing as relevant- 0he has, as he is paying for this, right?
But no interest in doing the same thing with a player online, even with a rather strong player who can tell you a lot about the game, things that engines are not able to verbalize.
In daily chess you may never be online at same moment, it would be really hard to have a good conversation. The only time I've done a post mortem on chess.com is after rapid games (in the NSPL). It's a long enough time investment to be worth it, and your both online.
May 30, 2018
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Several games end when both players are online, making the last moves.
May 30, 2018
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torrubirubi wrote:
Sometimes after a game I ask my opponent if he would like to go together through the game. Usually I don’t get an answer. It would be interesting to compare the ideas, to see what we missed during the game, etc.
Until now I didn’t get a single game analysed.
Okay, usually I ask after a win or a draw, but not after a lost. But I guess I would accept to analyse the game I lost if my opponent would ask me, especially if he is equal strong or stronger than me.
Do you perceive such a question as something weird or arrogant or something else? Did you already analyse games with your opponent?
Until now I didn’t get a single game analysed.
Okay, usually I ask after a win or a draw, but not after a lost. But I guess I would accept to analyse the game I lost if my opponent would ask me, especially if he is equal strong or stronger than me.
Do you perceive such a question as something weird or arrogant or something else? Did you already analyse games with your opponent?
You can play against people in your friend list. People you know are probably more willing to analyze with you than complete strangers.
May 30, 2018
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LaskerCompensation wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
Sometimes after a game I ask my opponent if he would like to go together through the game. Usually I don’t get an answer. It would be interesting to compare the ideas, to see what we missed during the game, etc.
Until now I didn’t get a single game analysed.
Okay, usually I ask after a win or a draw, but not after a lost. But I guess I would accept to analyse the game I lost if my opponent would ask me, especially if he is equal strong or stronger than me.
Do you perceive such a question as something weird or arrogant or something else? Did you already analyse games with your opponent?
Until now I didn’t get a single game analysed.
Okay, usually I ask after a win or a draw, but not after a lost. But I guess I would accept to analyse the game I lost if my opponent would ask me, especially if he is equal strong or stronger than me.
Do you perceive such a question as something weird or arrogant or something else? Did you already analyse games with your opponent?
You can play against people in your friend list. People you know are probably more willing to analyze with you than complete strangers.
Of course, I didn't think on this.
May 30, 2018
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#12
This site makes live analysis challenging, even for those with Diamond memberships. I use other sites for live analysis with other players.
May 31, 2018
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#13
SmyslovFan wrote:
This site makes live analysis challenging, even for those with Diamond memberships. I use other sites for live analysis with other players.
Why are other sites better in this sense?
May 31, 2018
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#14
Because, without naming which ones, it's much easier to set up positions, draw arrows, highlight squares, and go back and forth in a variation on other sites than here.
Until now I didn’t get a single game analysed.
Okay, usually I ask after a win or a draw, but not after a lost. But I guess I would accept to analyse the game I lost if my opponent would ask me, especially if he is equal strong or stronger than me.
Do you perceive such a question as something weird or arrogant or something else? Did you already analyse games with your opponent?