Any tips for hustling?

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Avatar of MISTERGQ

I recently learned about Chess hustlers and decided to try my hand. I went to my favorite bar that had games and got the chess board and lost on purpose to people that barely knew how to move te pieces. Then, when the stakes got raised to beers I kicked into gear and went on a seven game streak picking up several beers. It would've gone on longer but I dropped pretenses about half way thru. Anyone else have experience hustling?

Avatar of RonaldJosephCote

               I did the same thing on the pool table when I was in The Air Force.

Avatar of trysts

So you deceived the general public in order to take their money? It's just another form of cheating in chess.

Avatar of RonaldJosephCote

            YEAH;  What She said.  I agree with her!

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I used a different method.  I would talk trash about them, that they were so dumb they couldn't play (this is after I'd had a few pitchers).  They'd have beer-courage by then so they wouldn't refuse.  I'd play for shots and just whup 'em.  After the win, I'd say,"Here, I'll give you a chance and take off a knight"--and win.  Then, a rook. Then a rook and a knight.  Then the queen.  I'd keep giving greater odds until I lost--once they win, they never play again.  I got a lot of cheap drinks that way after the Fischer-Spassky match.

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There were no stakes before beers.

I definitely disagree that purposefully playing bad moves is cheating. I mean, I actually lost those games because I played bad moves. I don't see how this is different that losing a regular game because of a bad move.

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The purpose for the bad moves was to lose the game, thus deceiving the opponent in order to take their money. This seems like any easy ethical question to answer. How is that not cheating?

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In Pool though the skill is in making a skillful shot look like a fluke, or a bad choice.

In chess though, the minute you make a nice combination, or artful sacrifice, the game is up.

Also, I play pool great drunk.

I'm awful at drunk chess.

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trysts wrote:

The purpose for the bad moves was to lose the game, thus deceiving the opponent in order to take their money. This seems like any easy ethical question to answer. How is that not cheating?

Well, yeah. But chess has a long tradition of hustling. I used to hang out in a coffee shop in hillbrow, many of SA'a top players did too. And they ALL did it, for Irish Coffees.

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@Tryst Unethical? Maybe, probably. Cheating? Definitely not.

@rdecredico

At my chess club I draw most of my games against the 1900s winning here and there, and lose to the masters.

The point in playing the patzers was to draw in the better players that thought they could beat me. I had to win just barely to keep the playing. It was quite a challenge playing moves that won and lost at the same time.

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Well, I guess if you can't afford a beer, or an Irish Coffee then hustiling chess is the way to go.  Or, you could try to get a job.

Avatar of johnyoudell

I still remember a rubber of bridge I played nearly fifty years or so ago. I was playing in the New Acol in London at modest stakes, three shillings a hundred I think, and cut in to a table with two youngish players and an elderly lady. The lady was a truly awful player and I picked up some points playing with each of the young men against the lady and the other young man. She then announced that it was time for her to go. The two guys had decided I was a patzer and they obviously thought that playing the third rubber with the lady and me partnering each other against the two of them would be very easy money. They had to get quite unpleasant to bully her into staying. Well they bid a game and I had visions of getting out cheaply if they bid the second game but the cards started to run our way. We bid and made a game and then they sacrificed a couple of times and I was thinking the rubber was definately going to come cheap when I picked up a nondescript twelve count and opened the bidding. The elderly lady then took charge and drove us up to 7 no trumps. I was thinking, resignedly, that we would go for some hefty penalty and maybe the rubber would not be cheap after all but then neither of the young men doubled. And then the elderly lady rattled off thirteen tricks with no problem at all.

It was a 27 point rubber which represented a healthy addition to my schoolboy budget but the look on the faces of the two young hustlers is the thing that has stayed with me. To say that they were miffed is certainly an understatement.

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The dump has been perfected by pool players.

How they look in the mirror and face themselves is a mystery to me.

 Bottom line is don't gamble and you won't be a victim.

 If you are greedy and lust for someone elses money , you will get more than you bargained for. {Even when you win}

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@Jurassicmark I do have a job, but I like free drinks and extra scratch

Anyone have any good chess hustling stories? Getting hustled or hustling?

Avatar of odisea777
trysts wrote:

The purpose for the bad moves was to lose the game, thus deceiving the opponent in order to take their money. This seems like any easy ethical question to answer. How is that not cheating?

I agree - pretty simple. BTW - why did you cheat them out of beer instead of money??

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It's easier to compete for beers than money. Plus all I wanted was free drinks anyway. It's much harder to get people to play for money rather than beers.

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             @ JurassicMark;  yours is the funniest post yet. Get a job?? INDEED. Watch your language in these forums.  I have to disagree with post 9 from JBushell. The trick is not making the shot, its getting out of the pool hall with the money safely in one piece. Or 2 pieces, Or 3 pieces, Or 4 pieces

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There was this old guy  that used to hustle chess at a bar I used to he everyone used to call him 2.00 Bob he hardly ever lost he would play 1 free game before raising the stakes... 

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I do have to comment on comment  #9 I would rather be stoned playing chess than drunk playing chess drunk chess make you sloppy stoned chess makes you logical and more relaxed to think through your moves