Anyone else sick of hearing about alpha?

oh i see. thanks

I think it is time we moved on.

What do you all think of Bravo?

Same here.  It's just an intellectual curiousity for me.  I will continue to play and enjoy chess at my sub-1000 level, and I will continue to study and enjoy the games of Tal, Fischer, Morphy, etc etc.

I wish someone would develop an AI to do something useful like finding a cure for cancer.

I like your attitude. People will still play chess despite all the progress people make in the field of AI.

I do, you do and everybody else. Although engines became so strong, for us amateurs it still doesn't matter. At the board I still play against my opponent not an engine or some 40-move opening preparation. I will still enjoy the beauty of Anderssen combinations I will still enjoy Capablanca's endgames and I will still enjoy the dynamic play of Alekhine.

Programs already help us stay healthy or detect illnesses. There are many interesting things in research going on but it will take a while until all this becomes relevant for all of us.

Kasparov went to a very traditional setup against Deep Blue that was regarded as the trap of all computers. I don't remember which opening, but the issue was that before Deep Blue and during that match, all other chess computers had thought taking a piece was the right move because it put the computer up material for a short time, while the opponent would be automatically "winning" in the long run (if I remember it correctly). The discrepancy is that Deep Blue did not fall into the trap, while all other engines said taking was the best option. Kasparov went on to lose that match and chess amateurs and professionals alike, all demanded to see IBM's source code. The program was destroyed the morning after.

Yep, its getting tedious. Whats more tedious are the GM's IM's etc analyzing its games. Really who gives a monkeys - no way can anyone play like that anyway.

Plus there is something fishy going on !

that's why its stockfish

Not at all.  In fact its intersting, intriguing, and informative.  In the long run, it will benefit chess.   

I think what people will get tired of, are the players that think they need to change there openings because of it.  

.. 'Google' Inc. - Which, owns, both "YouTube," and,  the 'makers' of 'Alpha'; Has, as its' long-time, official motto; "Do, No Evil" ; Yet, they're the same 'folks' who have 'de-monetized', Any 'Y.T.' 'vlog', that takes a political stand ; That they, and their behind-the-scenes, handlers ; Don't agree with !

Knowing, that, Not trivial fact ; How can Anyone, be certain, of Most Anything, they say !? -

.. Including, the possibility, that, those 'players', {in the different, contested  board-games} ; Weren't, part of the possible, charade narrative, All along !?

Without, knowing, definitively, that, the 'Fix-is-In'; Buying, players & 'opposing' programmers 'off'; Would be, 'pocket change', to 'Google' Inc. ; If, a 'head-turning' amount, to potential, 'adversaries'!

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LM_player wrote:

Vickalan, what variant is that anyway?

It's called waterloo. A sample game is (here). Chess on an Infinite Plane is played on an even bigger board, but has only a few more pieces compared to waterloo.

The championship game to decide the world champion will start soon.

thanks vickalan.

Nope.  Haven’t heard enough about it.  They only gave us tidbits.  The lead hardware guy on Deep Blue wrote a book about that, which I enjoyed.   I’d love to read similar by Deep Mind creators.

There was only ever one guy like Marion Tinsley, and he was Marion Tinsley.

.. Given, my recent post ; Laying 'bare', 'Google's, connection, with the '2017', New standard, of "YouTube's" censorship/ de-monetization, {see link} ; The old axiom, of 'Where there's smoke, there may be fire', is raised ; Re. Google's, press-released, 'breakthrough', concerning, "Alpha-Zero"!

If, this sounds, like a 'strained' unrelated argument ; Consider, that, "Alpha-Zero's" purported 'breakthrough'; Doesn't seem, All that different, to having 'Solved chess'! ; Only, {starting out}, with, More pieces, on the board !?!

.. Add to that ; The projected, H-U-G-E, profits ; That would- will, accompany, such claims ; In areas, unrelated, to mere 'games'.. {ie. 'medical research' for one!} ; And, that would appear, to give 'Google' Inc. a motive, for Not being, completely Truthful !

As, they have already demonstrated, with their corporate 'squeeze play', on 'Free, {political}, Speech'! .. Which, I have reason to think, is due to shady, {or $hady} ; Behind-the-scenes, 'Deep-state', government- corporate, alliances ; That 'Google', {'Alpha-Go's, corporate owners}.. apparently, is involved in ; As per, the following, link.

'Where there's Smoke ; There's Fire'{?!} .. It Could be, bordering, on a 'No Brainer', tie-in ! o:

http://allnewspipeline.com/War_Against_Independent_Media_Reaches_Pitch.php

or alphaone

Some of my fellow chess players here are saying advances in AI will benefit chess in the long run, but I don't see it having any impact on players who are not at the upper levels of the games. It certainly will not have n impact on players at my level.

Most chess analysis is useless to me.  I'm 60 years old and I simply cannot memorize all those alternate lines and several-moves-deep descriptions of why move A is the "best move," and why moves B, C, and D are not so strong, and why move E will lead to disaster.  I look at a position and just try to make the move that makes the most sense. At best, I try to plan a couple of moves ahead.

I prefer analysis that explains in simple language the logic behind a particular move.  Tal's book has a lot of that, and is therefore one of my favorites.

Where is the need to memorise? Chess is mainly about making moves in unfamiliar positions, based on whatever legirtimate procedure you like.

Yes. Don't know why people keep opening new topics about it.