Anyone else sick of hearing about alpha?

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JessieMillano2015

Not only I am sick of it, I am skeptical, too, from the very beginning - actually game 3 - despite Mr Rensch's comments and analyses.

MARattigan

Hey, Alpha in a Mercedes F1 can beat Stockfish on a bicycle. It is AI news because it's self taught, but it's not chess news. Stockfish on my PC could hammer computer level 10 here, which is also Stockfish, because mine's on a moped.

Elroch

I heard that just one example of AlphaZero's brilliant moves was not seen to be good by Stockfish given 9 hours on a powerful machine. AlphaZero seems to have played better chess than Stockfish ever has on any hardware.

When someone produces an engine (running on any hardware) that can achieve more than 64% against Stockfish running with 64 thread-minutes per move and 1Gb of hash table, AlphaZero will no longer deserve to be regarded as the strongest chess player.

damsel_in_distress
gingerninja2003 wrote:
stuzzicadenti wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:

creators of alpha wanted to get their machine in the news and the only way to do that was to cheat against stockfish.

Deep Blue also cheated against Kasparov.

IBM and Google playing the same game.

How did deep blue cheat v Kasparov?

 

Indirect cheating. They used Garry's records to analyze his style, strength and weaknesses.. but they never gave Garry, even after repeated request, sample of games played by Deep Blue. So virtually Garry had zero prep (he was forced to have zero prep). It is same as the imaginary situation where Carlsen defends his title against Aronian by having satisfactory preparation, on the other hand, Aronian is not allowed to take preparation for the WC (preparation for WC mostly revolve around analyzing opponent's strength and weaknesses, and based on that finding strategies that utilizes the player's own strength and weaknesses).

Elroch

But who cares? The point was that a chess computer could play chess better than the best human player. Now they are about 600 points stronger it's not seriously disputed.

Amusingly, now we are seeing the same situation with AI's being better than the best chess engines programmed by humans!

ScootaChess
MARattigan wrote:

Hey, Alpha in a Mercedes F1 can beat Stockfish on a bicycle. It is AI news because it's self taught, but it's not chess news. Stockfish on my PC could hammer computer level 10 here, which is also Stockfish, because mine's on a moped.

Does this really make that much sense or am I just really stoned?

K_Brown
ScootaChess wrote:

Does this really make that much sense or am I just really stoned?

 

To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true.

Elroch
ScootaChess wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

Hey, Alpha in a Mercedes F1 can beat Stockfish on a bicycle. It is AI news because it's self taught, but it's not chess news. Stockfish on my PC could hammer computer level 10 here, which is also Stockfish, because mine's on a moped.

Does this really make that much sense or am I just really stoned?

Probably the latter, given that the machine on which Stockfish was running was about 10 times faster than a pretty good desktop machine, and I am not aware if Stockfish has ever been run on a faster machine (it is not necessarily possible, as Stockfish is not designed to run on clusters).

Flank_Attacks

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Elroch

There's nothing suspect about google offering the same hardware computing technology that was used in AlphaZero on the google cloud for more useful purposes! (This adds to their services based on Intel processors and GPUs).