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lfPatriotGames

May 10, 2022

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#161

Hyper bullet, from what I understand is very fast chess. The fastest game of chess I have ever played is three minutes, but I have played with an hourglass "hot potato" that might have been faster than that. So I can totally see how playing very fast chess approaches sport like competition. All sorts of things can go wrong at that speed.

That being said, I think the reason people like to say look in the mirror, is because they don't have one.

I have a mirror, for the most part I like what I see. In fact, I'm going to put up a new avatar pretty soon. So I rarely, if ever, say look in the mirror.

InsertInterestingNameHere

May 11, 2022

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#162

Personally, I disagree with both of those quotes. Curious to hear others’ thoughts.

“Don't dwell on the fact you will make more blunders in bullet, relish in the fact you will win more games making less blunders then your opponent"

I think that is stupid. My ultimate goal in chess is not to just win, but to get better. If I make a serious mistake but win, I’ll be happy that I won, but I won’t be proud of that game, because if my opponent capitalized on my mistake, I would have been losing. I could have been losing. And that is something I’m not comfortable being happy about.

"Blitz is not always about making the correct engine move, its sometimes about simply posing the hardest questions to your opponent."

I feel like this is an excuse. A cop-out, if you will. Chess in general is about making good moves. The correct engine moves that will prove a decisive advantage over your opponent. “Posing questions” to your opponent feels like a cheap way to say that you couldn’t win with good moves, so you had to “ask hard questions” to beat your opponent.

BlueHen86

May 11, 2022

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#163

InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Personally, I disagree with both of those quotes. Curious to hear others’ thoughts.

“Don't dwell on the fact you will make more blunders in bullet, relish in the fact you will win more games making less blunders then your opponent"

I think that is stupid. My ultimate goal in chess is not to just win, but to get better. If I make a serious mistake but win, I’ll be happy that I won, but I won’t be proud of that game, because if my opponent capitalized on my mistake, I would have been losing. I could have been losing. And that is something I’m not comfortable being happy about.

"Blitz is not always about making the correct engine move, its sometimes about simply posing the hardest questions to your opponent."

I feel like this is an excuse. A cop-out, if you will. Chess in general is about making good moves. The correct engine moves that will prove a decisive advantage over your opponent. “Posing questions” to your opponent feels like a cheap way to say that you couldn’t win with good moves, so you had to “ask hard questions” to beat your opponent.

I agree with your first point, but not the second. If your opponent is in time trouble sometimes it is best to complicate the situation and make them think, especially if the best engine move forces an easy to find response. If they have to think they can't premove.

RachelBra

May 11, 2022

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#164

Hmm sorry but I don't think they are Athletes but they are very clever people for sure xx

Romans_5_8_and_8_5

May 11, 2022

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#165

CooloutAC wrote:

InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Personally, I disagree with both of those quotes. Curious to hear others’ thoughts.

“Don't dwell on the fact you will make more blunders in bullet, relish in the fact you will win more games making less blunders then your opponent"

I think that is stupid. My ultimate goal in chess is not to just win, but to get better. If I make a serious mistake but win, I’ll be happy that I won, but I won’t be proud of that game, because if my opponent capitalized on my mistake, I would have been losing. I could have been losing. And that is something I’m not comfortable being happy about.

"Blitz is not always about making the correct engine move, its sometimes about simply posing the hardest questions to your opponent."

I feel like this is an excuse. A cop-out, if you will. Chess in general is about making good moves. The correct engine moves that will prove a decisive advantage over your opponent. “Posing questions” to your opponent feels like a cheap way to say that you couldn’t win with good moves, so you had to “ask hard questions” to beat your opponent.

treating this like a competitive sport is stupid to you? What do you even mean by "getting better" if the goal is not to beat other players? How close you can play inhumanly like a computer engine? Sounds unsporting to me.

And if you think winning with "bad" moves is a cheap win. You must really get upset when your opponent doesn't resign and flags you LMAO.... Posing hard questions, means causing your opponent to lose time thinking. Stick to the more non competitive modes, stick with classical or daily I guess. wow....

IMO your attitude is why most of society is not interested in chess and have negative stereotypical beliefs and stigmas about their communities.

Do you play any sports? Don't lie!

Romans_5_8_and_8_5

May 11, 2022

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#166

CooloutAC wrote:

ShrekChess69420 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Personally, I disagree with both of those quotes. Curious to hear others’ thoughts.

“Don't dwell on the fact you will make more blunders in bullet, relish in the fact you will win more games making less blunders then your opponent"

I think that is stupid. My ultimate goal in chess is not to just win, but to get better. If I make a serious mistake but win, I’ll be happy that I won, but I won’t be proud of that game, because if my opponent capitalized on my mistake, I would have been losing. I could have been losing. And that is something I’m not comfortable being happy about.

"Blitz is not always about making the correct engine move, its sometimes about simply posing the hardest questions to your opponent."

I feel like this is an excuse. A cop-out, if you will. Chess in general is about making good moves. The correct engine moves that will prove a decisive advantage over your opponent. “Posing questions” to your opponent feels like a cheap way to say that you couldn’t win with good moves, so you had to “ask hard questions” to beat your opponent.

treating this like a competitive sport is stupid to you? What do you even mean by "getting better" if the goal is not to beat other players? How close you can play inhumanly like a computer engine? Sounds unsporting to me.

And if you think winning with "bad" moves is a cheap win. You must really get upset when your opponent doesn't resign and flags you LMAO.... Posing hard questions, means causing your opponent to lose time thinking. Stick to the more non competitive modes, stick with classical or daily I guess. wow....

IMO your attitude is why most of society is not interested in chess and have negative stereotypical beliefs and stigmas about their communities.

Do you play any sports? Don't lie!

I've played many. But the main difference with me compared to others, is that I treat online sports just the same as I would treat in real life sports. I apply the same principles and respect to both. For example the online definition of competitive is usually "stomping noobs" and we need an mmr system in place, that is always getting undermined. But in real life this would never happen, not just because of no anonymity and ability to change face, but because in real life players in the park would see that as unproductive, unfun, and disrespectful. SO they match up accordingly for the most competitive matches they can have. Its something that has always bothered me about how non evolved and uncivilized the digital realm is.

What sports in specific?

ToolsLastBand

May 11, 2022

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#167

Its all about basketball 🏀
and chess of course (cough)

ToolsLastBand

May 11, 2022

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#168

Acid Rain.
GOOD SONG.
By Avenged Sevenfold.

autumncurtis

Jun 2, 2022

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#169

Let's start this argument again...

InsertInterestingNameHere

Jun 2, 2022

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#170

No, let’s not.

Duck

Jun 2, 2022

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#171

I play basketball

wizardKM

Jun 2, 2022

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#172

Chess players are mental athletes

seanysean2

Jun 2, 2022

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#173

autumncurtis wrote:

Are chess players athletes? 💨

Definitely not, unless we want to change definitions to appeal solely to us chess players.

InsertInterestingNameHere

Jun 2, 2022

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#174

Coolout, you sound like a conspiracy theorist lmfao

seanysean2

Jun 2, 2022

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#175

I suppose I wouldn't consider chess to be a sport. It is true that professional players engage in physical exercise to keep the body in top shape, and you are correct that the mind and body are extremely connected. I also would agree that competitive E-Sports are highly skilled and the players who master them deserve recognition.

However, chess players are engaging in physical exercise in order to stay in good health, whereas someone practicing soccer is already keeping their body in shape just by practicing the game. It would be like claiming programming is a sport just because programmers go jogging as a way to continue programming without risking their health. I would argue that because top chess players have to exercise separately to their chess studying, it demonstrates chess is not anywhere near physically demanding enough to be considered a sport. I'm not saying chess is worse than soccer as a game, but rather it doesn't belong as a sport, unless we want to consider it as a mental sport but that is its own thing.

Problem5826

Jun 3, 2022

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#176

InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Coolout, you sound like a conspiracy theorist lmfao

Or someone that took their xbox controller to their school sport's day.

Anyone remember that kid at school who banged on and on about how games were sports? No? Me neither. That's because it's ridiculous.

Andmak11

Jun 3, 2022

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#177

Wow :tup

PlayByDay

Jun 3, 2022

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#178

jay_1944 skrev:

autumncurtis wrote:

You could argue that the brain power they use and the pacing they do is physical! They burn so many calories!

You couuuuld... But sitting using your brain is obviously not what is ment by physical exercise.

If a doctor told you, you needed physical exercise or you might die, would you sit and play chess as a form of physical exercise? Certainly not!

Well, surely chess wouldn't be enough for the doctor. So which of these mighty sport would satisfy herr doctor?

Dart?
Pool/Snooker/Billiard?
Pistol or Rifle shooting, specially while sitting or laying down?
Other precision sports?
Racing and other motorsports, specially drag racing?
- In Sweden we have Radio Controlled motorsports, is that sporty enough?

And as usual, people seem to forget that most sports are in fact games by most definition. And obviously, chess is not an athletic sport and don't give any real physical exercise, just like some other sports.

Dashpaad

Jun 3, 2022

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#179

Chess playees are Kids

lfPatriotGames

Jun 3, 2022

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#180

CooloutAC wrote:

seanysean2 wrote:

I suppose I wouldn't consider chess to be a sport. It is true that professional players engage in physical exercise to keep the body in top shape, and you are correct that the mind and body are extremely connected. I also would agree that competitive E-Sports are highly skilled and the players who master them deserve recognition.

However, chess players are engaging in physical exercise in order to stay in good health, whereas someone practicing soccer is already keeping their body in shape just by practicing the game. It would be like claiming programming is a sport just because programmers go jogging as a way to continue programming without risking their health. I would argue that because top chess players have to exercise separately to their chess studying, it demonstrates chess is not anywhere near physically demanding enough to be considered a sport. I'm not saying chess is worse than soccer as a game, but rather it doesn't belong as a sport, unless we want to consider it as a mental sport but that is its own thing.

I'm not understanding why you contradict your first paragraph with the second. You are definitely the typical chess player hahah.

Do you also not think chess is an e-sport, especially when played online? OTB is even more of a sport imo. Speedchess is also more sporting then classical when it comes to exercised skill, but classical tournaments are very physically demanding. You say chess isn't anywhere near as physically demanding, Yet have you ever seen a tournament called off in another sport so a player wouldn't die? Because that has happened in chess, in fact its not as uncommon as you think. It was very controversial when FIDE called off the world championship between Kasparov and Karpov. Karpov went straigt to the hospital for 3 days and almost died. Even Levy from Gotham chess the last day of his last tournament overseas recently went directly to the hospital. He suspects food poisoning. Most likely exhaustion and dehydration.

Plus are we forgetting all the other things that define a sport? Besides physically demanding which 7 hour chess tournaments certainly are. It is also an organized competition, no elements of luck and based solely on human ability, based solely on physics, competitive matchups, sportsmanship, etc...

It seems like you might be exaggerating again.

Just because you are unaware of something (which has been very common lately) doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Events and competitions are cancelled or postponed due to health and safety reasons all the time.

But specific to chess, the cancelling of the 1984 world chess championship wasn't for the reasons you would like to believe. After Kasparov started winning, the event was cancelled. Kasparovs health was just fine. He had no issues or problems. Karpov had lost weight (which is not unusual over the course of 5 months). Both players wanted to play on. So if Karpov's health was an issue, that's because he wasn't eating right, he wasn't taking care of his health. It had nothing to do with chess.

"Karpov went straight to the hospital for 3 days and almost died". Yeah, right.