Aronian vs Carlsen - Norway Chess 2017

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stxschlsv

Everyone says Aronian played well, but was it Carlsen who played bad? If you had seen this game with no names, would you have thought it was a game between two grandmasters?

ESP-918

If I've seen this game with no names I could definitely tell it's 2700+ level of play , so many moves are so advanced and so many steps ahead I can instantly tell such high level of play.

stxschlsv
ESP-918 wrote:

If I've seen this game with no names I could definitely tell it's 2700+ level of play , so many moves are so advanced and so many steps ahead I can instantly tell such high level of play.

Are you serious? I think they both look like 1200-players. My uncle Jalavan says they look like 1200-players, so I think the same as him.

Anyone with a little more understanding of high-level chess who will care to comment?

LaLiam
You're a 1,200, telling a 1,800 that two super GM's play at the same level as you? Get off the site
closedforce
stxschlsv wrote:
ESP-918 wrote:

If I've seen this game with no names I could definitely tell it's 2700+ level of play , so many moves are so advanced and so many steps ahead I can instantly tell such high level of play.

Are you serious? I think they both look like 1200-players. My uncle Jalavan says they look like 1200-players, so I think the same as him.

Anyone with a little more understanding of high-level chess who will care to comment?

You have got to be kidding me. Would you be able to play the same quality as Magnus and Levon did?

 

stxschlsv
closedforce wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Would you be able to play the same quality as Magnus and Levon did?

 

Usually no, but this game I would play better. I would also have beaten Magnus Carlsen, because I watched the game live on web, and before almost every move I predicted the moves chosen by Aronian. I would do the same as Aronian, therefore I would have beaten Magnus Carlsen.

ace_mar
Lol the hindsight bias from the OP is huge
SuperSam1

I know this might come as a surprise to you stxschlsv, but Carlsen IS human and humans sometimes make mistakes.surprise.png

stxschlsv
SuperSam1 wrote:

I know this might come as a surprise to you stxschlsv, but Carlsen IS human and humans sometimes make mistakes.

Exactly what I say. That is why I could have beaten Magnus Carlsen. In fact I did actually beat him, because I made almost the same moves as Aronian. I believe Aronian thinks like me when it comes to chess.

BlunderLots
UtrechtRose wrote:
stxschlsv wrote:
closedforce wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Would you be able to play the same quality as Magnus and Levon did?

 

Usually no, but this game I would play better. I would also have beaten Magnus Carlsen, because I watched the game live on web, and before almost every move I predicted the moves chosen by Aronian. I would do the same as Aronian, therefore I would have beaten Magnus Carlsen.

 

The important word, in this post is "almost".

 

I too would have played almost all the same moves as Aronian.  It is the few moves that we would have played differently that are responsible for the huge gulf in strength between Aronian and me (and stxschlsv)

 

 

Exactly. It's easy to guess many of Aronian's moves. But those small, subtle moves that come unexpectedly? Those moves are built on an understanding of the position that goes deeper than ours, and it's why Aronian is 2800+, while the rest of us aren't. tongue.png

stxschlsv
UtrechtRose wrote:
stxschlsv wrote:
closedforce wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Would you be able to play the same quality as Magnus and Levon did?

 

Usually no, but this game I would play better. I would also have beaten Magnus Carlsen, because I watched the game live on web, and before almost every move I predicted the moves chosen by Aronian. I would do the same as Aronian, therefore I would have beaten Magnus Carlsen.

 

The important word, in this post is "almost".  

Your assumption would be correct, was it not for the fact that the few moves not similar: mines were better! Your unison appraisals for grandmaster's moves resembleses religious beliefs. Off course someone with 1200 can make good moves too! Uncle Jalavan agree with me, so nothing to discuss really. Thank you.

stxschlsv
Little-Charles wrote:

Try picking them live BEFORE he plays them. Your mileage may vary.

As I already enlightened you, that is exactly what I did. Off course, anyone can be master in retrospect.

Honestly, I have beaten Magnus Carlsen. There is no way around that fact. You can choose disbelief, but most will see the realities. 

closedforce

I'd choose disbelief if it comes to it, because a 1200 cannot understand subtle moves. And grandmasters are called grandmasters for a reason: They can consistently make good moves, and also can consistently beat lower-rated players like 1200s.

closedforce
stxschlsv wrote:
UtrechtRose wrote:
stxschlsv wrote:
closedforce wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Would you be able to play the same quality as Magnus and Levon did?

 

Usually no, but this game I would play better. I would also have beaten Magnus Carlsen, because I watched the game live on web, and before almost every move I predicted the moves chosen by Aronian. I would do the same as Aronian, therefore I would have beaten Magnus Carlsen.

 

The important word, in this post is "almost".  

Your assumption would be correct, was it not for the fact that the few moves not similar: mines were better! Your unison appraisals for grandmaster's moves resembleses religious beliefs. Off course someone with 1200 can make good moves too! Uncle Jalavan agree with me, so nothing to discuss really. Thank you.

Also, yes, 1200s can make good moves. But they can't make 30 straight good moves either without the aiding of a chess engine.

BlunderLots

In regards to the OP—Carlsen himself has said that Aronian is the one player he struggles against the most.

Many of us have that one equal opponent who always seems to give us a difficult time ... For Magnus, it's Levon.

gingerninja2003
stxschlsv wrote:

 

Usually no, but this game I would play better. I would also have beaten Magnus Carlsen, because I watched the game live on web, and before almost every move I predicted the moves chosen by Aronian. I would do the same as Aronian, therefore I would have beaten Magnus Carlsen.

that is complete and utter BULLSH oh wait the dinners ready.

also you said almost every move so the moves you didn't predict would've changed the coarse of the game and you'd have lost.