At what elo are you no longer a bad player? - Chess Forums - Page 8

ChessianHorse

Jun 2, 2019

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#141

I think you are not talking about the same things as savage. I believe savage is saying that the skill progression required to go from 2200 to 2500 is larger than the progression it takes to get to 2200.

I don’t think he’s saying that a 0 rated person is likelier to get a draw against someone rated 2200, compared to someone rated 2200 drawing a 2500 rated player.

spartakbarnsley

Jun 2, 2019

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#142

jonathanpiano13 wrote:

I think you are not talking about the same things as savage. I believe savage is saying that the skill progression required to go from 2200 to 2500 is larger than the progression it takes to get to 2200.

I don’t think he’s saying that a 0 rated person is likelier to get a draw against someone rated 2200, compared to someone rated 2200 drawing a 2500 rated player.

That makes absolute sense. I can compare it to when I started learning Russian, and went from zero to reasonably competent conversational in three years. However, it took me another seven to get to somewhere near native level. From a practical point of view, that last seven years makes about 10% difference, yet it was around 70% of the work.

hikarunaku

Jun 2, 2019

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#143

The law of diminishing returns.

Ziryab

Jun 2, 2019

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#144

hikarunaku wrote:

The law of diminishing returns.

The more you post in the forums, the less you contribute.

hikarunaku

Jun 2, 2019

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#145

Ziryab wrote:

hikarunaku wrote:

The law of diminishing returns.

The more you post in the forums, the less you contribute.

Lol.

Los_Tenyos_Krowo

Jun 2, 2019

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#146

900-Beginner

1600-Intermediate

2300+-Expert

Whiteshadow76

Jun 2, 2019

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#147

I have been playing for two years I feel that you are always a muppet against your opponent regardless your points. However day by day I can feel the difference between how I perceived the game at 200 and right now at 480. It is good to learn different and higher rank responses while playing with the ones who have more points than me.

CavalryFC

Jun 2, 2019

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#148

spartakbarnsley wrote:

BonTheCat wrote:

Not a chance that the gap between 2200 and 2500 is greater than the gap between 0 and 2200. A player rated E1800-E2000 stands a decent chance of gaining a draw against a GM of E2500 (I defeated an IM when I was rated around E1800.) Magnus Carlsen was nearly E2700 when he dropped a draw against an amateur rated about E2050.

Agreed. I've drawn with a 2477 IM. I have absolutely no doubt that I was taking the game a lot more seriously than him, and that 9 times out of 10, he would beat me comfortably. And, I guess in at least six of the games, the defeat would be pretty crushing. But if someone of that level gives a competent amateur chances, they can easily be punished. On the other hand a decent amateur can play a beginner without their queen, and still win quite comfortably.

Who was as the IM you drew and what were the circumstances?

srinarah

Jun 2, 2019

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#149

JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

What is the point at which you are no longer a chess muppet. You could still lose to better players, but so will everyone.

Is it 800, 1200, 1500, 2000?

I'm a 2100 here and I feel like I suck...

spartakbarnsley

Jun 2, 2019

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#150

CavalryFC wrote:

spartakbarnsley wrote:

BonTheCat wrote:

Not a chance that the gap between 2200 and 2500 is greater than the gap between 0 and 2200. A player rated E1800-E2000 stands a decent chance of gaining a draw against a GM of E2500 (I defeated an IM when I was rated around E1800.) Magnus Carlsen was nearly E2700 when he dropped a draw against an amateur rated about E2050.

Agreed. I've drawn with a 2477 IM. I have absolutely no doubt that I was taking the game a lot more seriously than him, and that 9 times out of 10, he would beat me comfortably. And, I guess in at least six of the games, the defeat would be pretty crushing. But if someone of that level gives a competent amateur chances, they can easily be punished. On the other hand a decent amateur can play a beginner without their queen, and still win quite comfortably.

Who was as the IM you drew and what were the circumstances?

Paulius Pultinevicius, in a turn-based game on here. His FIDE rating is 2477, though on here his turn-based rating is around 2000, which is odd so I'm assuming he uses it for training purposes. I spend ages analysing every move as the game was massively complex, maybe he was just knocking the moves out without much thought, I don't know.

I have absolutely no doubt that in an OTB game he would crush me mercilessly!

CavalryFC

Jun 2, 2019

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#151

spartakbarnsley wrote:

CavalryFC wrote:

spartakbarnsley wrote:

BonTheCat wrote:

Not a chance that the gap between 2200 and 2500 is greater than the gap between 0 and 2200. A player rated E1800-E2000 stands a decent chance of gaining a draw against a GM of E2500 (I defeated an IM when I was rated around E1800.) Magnus Carlsen was nearly E2700 when he dropped a draw against an amateur rated about E2050.

Agreed. I've drawn with a 2477 IM. I have absolutely no doubt that I was taking the game a lot more seriously than him, and that 9 times out of 10, he would beat me comfortably. And, I guess in at least six of the games, the defeat would be pretty crushing. But if someone of that level gives a competent amateur chances, they can easily be punished. On the other hand a decent amateur can play a beginner without their queen, and still win quite comfortably.

Who was as the IM you drew and what were the circumstances?

Paulius Pultinevicius, in a turn-based game on here. His FIDE rating is 2477, though on here his turn-based rating is around 2000, which is odd so I'm assuming he uses it for training purposes. I spend ages analysing every move as the game was massively complex, maybe he was just knocking the moves out without much thought, I don't know.

I have absolutely no doubt that in an OTB game he would crush me mercilessly!

Well done. I just quickly looked at the game. It was definitely played at a higher level than I am capable of.

kygrex

Jun 2, 2019

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#152

I've known some very good players who lose a lot because of blunders. They are fun to play because the game is tough for a while, but then the blunder happens and suddenly you get to convert mercilessly. It's like apples. You can get a nice apple with one bad spot on it. The blemish doesn't make the apple garbage.

CavalryFC

Jun 2, 2019

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#153

What rating do you consider to be "very good players"?

spartakbarnsley

Jun 2, 2019

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#154

CavalryFC wrote:

spartakbarnsley wrote:

CavalryFC wrote:

spartakbarnsley wrote:

BonTheCat wrote:

Not a chance that the gap between 2200 and 2500 is greater than the gap between 0 and 2200. A player rated E1800-E2000 stands a decent chance of gaining a draw against a GM of E2500 (I defeated an IM when I was rated around E1800.) Magnus Carlsen was nearly E2700 when he dropped a draw against an amateur rated about E2050.

Agreed. I've drawn with a 2477 IM. I have absolutely no doubt that I was taking the game a lot more seriously than him, and that 9 times out of 10, he would beat me comfortably. And, I guess in at least six of the games, the defeat would be pretty crushing. But if someone of that level gives a competent amateur chances, they can easily be punished. On the other hand a decent amateur can play a beginner without their queen, and still win quite comfortably.

Who was as the IM you drew and what were the circumstances?

Paulius Pultinevicius, in a turn-based game on here. His FIDE rating is 2477, though on here his turn-based rating is around 2000, which is odd so I'm assuming he uses it for training purposes. I spend ages analysing every move as the game was massively complex, maybe he was just knocking the moves out without much thought, I don't know.

I have absolutely no doubt that in an OTB game he would crush me mercilessly!

Well done. I just quickly looked at the game. It was definitely played at a higher level than I am capable of.

I hope that one day I'll be capable of playing like that under the pressure of an OTB game.

I think that any competent player can play like I did in that game once in a while. But unfortunately, I still often miss simple tactics, make daft positional concessions or mess up in the opening against 1600's, hence why I'm not an IM myself, even if it seems I have the capacity to give one a good game!

Ziryab

Jun 2, 2019

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#155

CavalryFC wrote:

What rating do you consider to be "very good players"?

2700+

CavalryFC

Jun 2, 2019

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#156

Ziryab wrote:

CavalryFC wrote:

What rating do you consider to be "very good players"?

2700+

Thanks. I was really looking for Kygrex's opinion. He said very good players make blunders that he can turn into victories. I'm curious to know what he thinks a "very good player is". From his games and rating I'm thinking he is talking much much lower than 2700.

spartakbarnsley

Jun 2, 2019

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#157

Ziryab wrote:

CavalryFC wrote:

What rating do you consider to be "very good players"?

2700+

So just for example, Tony Miles - his peak rating was 2625, he was the first ever British-born GM, and thorn in Karpov's side. Also defeated Tal, Smyslov and Spassky. Would you not rate Miles as having been a "very good" player? Sure, he maybe wasn't as consistent as the Russian greats at the time, but this does not diminish his own talents.

John Nunn - would have probably been a world title challenger if it wasn't for his many and varied interests outside of chess - peak rating 2630, current rating 2568.

Nigel Short has also fallen to a "mere" 2630.

kygrex

Jun 2, 2019

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#158

I am rated 1600 OTB. A crap elo, ikr? lol But I have won some games against better players than me (2000 guys) who blunder. They are guys who would be 2200 if they were less aggressive. I have only played 1 blitz game online here. I'm new. I went from the 800 start to 971 in that game.

CavalryFC

Jun 2, 2019

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#159

kygrex wrote:

I am rated 1600 OTB. A crap elo, ikr? lol But I have won some games against better players than me (2000 guys) who blunder. They are guys who would be 2200 if they were less aggressive. I have only played 1 blitz game online here. I'm new. I went from the 800 start to 971 in that game.

1600 is higher than I ever achieved so I definitely won't criticize. I have never beaten anyone over 1800 OTB. I've only played 2 players over 2300 OTB and they could very easily beat me with knight odds. So even if they did blunder a piece ... they would still kick my butt.

kygrex

Jun 2, 2019

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#160

Believe me, I've had my butt kicked plenty of times.