At what rating on chess.com would you start getting respected by other members?

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davidkimchi

What rating would we need to start getting respect from other members?

What rating do we need to stop getting laughed at and frowned upon for being bad at chess?

I know everyone has their own answer and they may differ from others, but whats a respectable rating

KeSetoKaiba
davidkimchi wrote:

What rating would we need to start getting respect from other members?

What rating do we need to stop getting laughed at and frowned upon for being bad at chess?

I know everyone has their own answer and they may differ from others, but whats a respectable rating

About 200 points higher than the person questioning your ability xD

More seriously though, the thing about chess rating is how much it takes to learn and improve and especially at the higher levels just how DIFFICULT it is to gain even a little more rating. Improving 200 rating points isn't too troublesome for most going from 800 to 1000, but the same interval of 200 points might take a 2000 2-3 years to reach 2200 rating. Obviously everyone improves (or not) at their own pace, but the problem is that that because their is such a knowledge gap sometimes, many players improve and then realize just how much they weren't even considering in the past! They see all the new things they've learned and now there are other things they have yet to imagine. 

Think of it like this, imagine you walk into a dark room and all you have is a small source of light with you (candle, flashlight, lamp, whatever your imagination creates). See how little light you have, but also how it is better than nothing? Look around at the small portion of the room you've illuminated. Now take a few steps deeper into the room, see a little bit more? Now what if your source of light doubles in brightness? Look at how much more you can see?...But what if the room is actually the size of a large warehouse? There is still much in the dark you aren't even aware exists or even considers. Now a GM is able to flip on the light-switch and turn on all of the overhead lights and brighten up the entire warehouse at once. Look at how much they see compared to everyone else. The might not see everything, but it is way more than the rest. 

That is kind of like how chess rating is. The more chess knowledge, understanding and ability you acquire (rating), then the more light you have access to. The higher rated players literally "see" more than you do, but only because their light is a little brighter or a little bigger (higher chess rating), but even they are ignorant to the "shadows" they also can't see. When they reach those new shadows on the horizon, then they will be in awe at the new things they see and didn't know about, but also ignorant to that just ahead. 

So what rating will players gain chess "respect?" Sadly, never. 1200s are disrespected by 1400s who are disrespected by 1600s and so on and even someone as high as an IM might be looked down upon by a GM...a GM looked down upon by a "super-GM" and even a super-GM to the World Champion...ironically even the World Champion may feel others have higher ability in certain aspects of the game, so rating is a case of the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, or back to the light analogy, someone else always seems to have more light than you do.

I don't think all of this "disrespect" is as cynical as players bullying others, but probably in part just because the person reaching their new rating heights recognizing all that they previously didn't know and now know, but will soon later (if improving) then realize all just ahead that they weren't even considering.

As you gain rating, more and more people will respect your rating/ability, but there will always be someone higher in some way or another. Perhaps the lowest ratings get the most disrespect and the higher one goes the less disrespect by rating there is, but I don't know if this ever goes away entirely. 

Probably by 1500-1600 level I'd say most probably recognize you are serious about your chess (this rating is better than about 90-95% of all chess.com players according to stats global percentile), but in all honestly even this rating is just beginning to really grasp "positional concepts" in chess such as weak squares, outposts and being able to exploit these in games and able to convert this into a win with decent frequency. 1800+ rating is more experienced in these positional elements, but even here it is lesser than the positional nuances a 2000+ players "stacks" onto this. 

I guess all of this just goes to show that other people perceptions and opinions don't really matter as much as how YOU view your own rating and how satisfied you are with your current rating/ability and where you are at with your chess journey now happy.png

KeSetoKaiba

Also, why is my post so long? I didn't even feel like I typed that much...

llama36
davidkimchi wrote:

At what rating on chess.com would you start getting respected by other members?

Approximately somewhere between 1 and a million.

davidkimchi
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
davidkimchi wrote:

What rating would we need to start getting respect from other members?

What rating do we need to stop getting laughed at and frowned upon for being bad at chess?

I know everyone has their own answer and they may differ from others, but whats a respectable rating

About 200 points higher than the person questioning your ability xD

More seriously though, the thing about chess rating is how much it takes to learn and improve and especially at the higher levels just how DIFFICULT it is to gain even a little more rating. Improving 200 rating points isn't too troublesome for most going from 800 to 1000, but the same interval of 200 points might take a 2000 2-3 years to reach 2200 rating. Obviously everyone improves (or not) at their own pace, but the problem is that that because their is such a knowledge gap sometimes, many players improve and then realize just how much they weren't even considering in the past! They see all the new things they've learned and now there are other things they have yet to imagine. 

Think of it like this, imagine you walk into a dark room and all you have is a small source of light with you (candle, flashlight, lamp, whatever your imagination creates). See how little light you have, but also how it is better than nothing? Look around at the small portion of the room you've illuminated. Now take a few steps deeper into the room, see a little bit more? Now what if your source of light doubles in brightness? Look at how much more you can see?...But what if the room is actually the size of a large warehouse? There is still much in the dark you aren't even aware exists or even considers. Now a GM is able to flip on the light-switch and turn on all of the overhead lights and brighten up the entire warehouse at once. Look at how much they see compared to everyone else. The might not see everything, but it is way more than the rest. 

That is kind of like how chess rating is. The more chess knowledge, understanding and ability you acquire (rating), then the more light you have access to. The higher rated players literally "see" more than you do, but only because their light is a little brighter or a little bigger (higher chess rating), but even they are ignorant to the "shadows" they also can't see. When they reach those new shadows on the horizon, then they will be in awe at the new things they see and didn't know about, but also ignorant to that just ahead. 

So what rating will players gain chess "respect?" Sadly, never. 1200s are disrespected by 1400s who are disrespected by 1600s and so on and even someone as high as an IM might be looked down upon by a GM...a GM looked down upon by a "super-GM" and even a super-GM to the World Champion...ironically even the World Champion may feel others have higher ability in certain aspects of the game, so rating is a case of the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, or back to the light analogy, someone else always seems to have more light than you do.

I don't think all of this "disrespect" is as cynical as players bullying others, but probably in part just because the person reaching their new rating heights recognizing all that they previously didn't know and now know, but will soon later (if improving) then realize all just ahead that they weren't even considering.

As you gain rating, more and more people will respect your rating/ability, but there will always be someone higher in some way or another. Perhaps the lowest ratings get the most disrespect and the higher one goes the less disrespect by rating there is, but I don't know if this ever goes away entirely. 

Probably by 1500-1600 level I'd say most probably recognize you are serious about your chess (this rating is better than about 90-95% of all chess.com players according to stats global percentile), but in all honestly even this rating is just beginning to really grasp "positional concepts" in chess such as weak squares, outposts and being able to exploit these in games and able to convert this into a win with decent frequency. 1800+ rating is more experienced in these positional elements, but even here it is lesser than the positional nuances a 2000+ players "stacks" onto this. 

I guess all of this just goes to show that other people perceptions and opinions don't really matter as much as how YOU view your own rating and how satisfied you are with your current rating/ability and where you are at with your chess journey now

Love that analogy about the light and warehouse! 

I agree about the respect/disrespect part. As you move up, theres others way higher who will still think you are a noob or bad at chess, but at the same time you may be respected by those with lower ratings. I guess the best thing to do is to not focus on ratings too much, and continue to improve as much as you can and enjoy the game.

 

I do also agree with the rating points being much harder to gain as you get higher. Even as a beginner, the jump from 500-600 was much harder than 300-400 and i can only imagine how hard it is to gain ratings once you reach the 2000s. 

As always great post thanks for sharing

llama36
davidkimchi wrote:

What rating do we need to stop getting laughed at and frowned upon for being bad at chess?

My first reaction was to say I don't laugh or frown at anyone... but I guess that's not true.

It's like when Hikaru and Levy do sub battles, and some beginner avoids mate in 1, they compliment the player saying good job... but then next video Hikaru is playing a 3000 rated GM and calling his moves extremely bad.

So it really depends on the setting. In the forum I'll respect whoever. In a game maybe not so much tongue.png

llama36

By the way, sometimes I've read advice in the forum, and I'm like ok, this person knows what they're talking about, I bet they're rated ____... and then I discover they're a lot lower... and it's not like I go around checking everyone's ratings. A few days ago I checked some guy I had seen on the forums for months, and I was surprised, wow, that's their rating?

And also the reverse. They're talking total nonsense, and I'm thinking ok, this guy is definitely rated below ____ but they're actually a lot higher.

So don't worry about it much in the forums. Mostly people will judge you for what you say... at least I think that because that's what I tend to do.

But yeah, if you want to be respected from a competitive POV, then you'll have to be rated near that person. A 2500 wont think much of a 2000 because they'll win 9 out of 10 games easily... but top players think 2500 is garbage, so it's all relative.

neatgreatfire

I don't respect people more or less because of their chess rating.

AtaChess68
I would think that everyone above 800 knows how difficult this game is and that laughing and frowning can’t be an issue.
Falling_Fast
Ratings at chess.com are overrated. Unfortunately, a lot of members here think elo at chess.com matters, when it doesn’t.

The only elo that matters is OTB tournament play rating.

there are too many factors that could impact your elo here, it’s rendered close to useless.
neatgreatfire
Falling_Fast wrote:
Ratings at chess.com are overrated. Unfortunately, a lot of members here think elo at chess.com matters, when it doesn’t.

The only elo that matters is OTB tournament play rating.

there are too many factors that could impact your elo here, it’s rendered close to useless.

No, it really isn't. Unless you have terrible internet, it'll be fairly accurate, though probably a bit inflated from OTB. Mouseslips will effect you and your opponent equally. Same with disconnects / server lag, though I haven't noticed much of that. Cheaters will generally be caught, and there aren't enough of them to impact your rating.

ForsookTheRook

1529 rapid.

KeSetoKaiba
playonlinesecretly1 wrote:

Keseto i want to see your face. I never knew that you are a chess streamer. Where can i see you.

I've uploaded chess videos on Twitch in the past and more recently YouTube. I've been sticking with YouTube (my earlier Twitch streams are on my YouTube channel as well) and you can get my channel links on my chess.com profile...

I've yet to have a "face reveal" though. I'd be willing to have streams where I interact with an audience in that more personal way, but so far I don't own a webcam, so all of my videos have only been audio (headset) and showing the chess board on screen.

Duck

I don't necessarily judge you by your rating on the chess board, what the rating is outside of the chess board is what matters to me.

sndeww

If you take the time to offer logical opinions and are patient enough to explain them, like keseto over here, your rating will not matter as much. 

Pulpofeira

Don't forget the looks.

Falling_Fast
@Nerves0fButter:
Okay genius. Whatever you say...
idilis
Falling_Fast wrote:
@Nerves0fButter:
Okay genius. Whatever you say...

https://www.chess.com/article/view/chess-ratings---how-they-work

Glicko

idilis
Pulpofeira wrote:

Don't forget the looks.