Bad etiquette in bullet

We're playing online here.  I don't even know half the time if I'm playing a human or a human's computer anyway.  If I went into someone's living room and ate their food while playing then sure I'd play a few games and probably chat after them and whatever else.

Here I'm online playing people who often don't even have their real name in their profile.  So it doesn't matter if they are a human being or not, they signed up to play 1 game of chess just like I did.

I used to often post a 'gg' or 'good game' or whatever on people's notes page after I lost a Blitz game, but < 5% of people respond so I don't bother nowadays.  That's fine with me, I didn't post it because I wanted a conversation anyway.  And on an international site, what seems like a nice gesture to one person can be considered offensive to another so it is often simplest to just play chess.

Rematches are a common source of people's whining.  That is not etiquette at all.  If there was an option to play a 3-game match against someone then fine, but we sign up for 1 game.  If someone chooses to accept a replay fine, if they don't fine, it's not part of the contract.

Obviously it goes without saying that not waiting until 0.5s left on your clock to checkmate is good manners.  If you want to call that etiquette then fine, I just consider the person doing it a moron, but it doesn't really bother me either way.

Being forced to accept a rematch from someone I just beat is not a "simple, painless" thing to do.  Most of my live games I play at lunch time at work.  I play one 10-minute game and that is all I have time for unless it ends quickly and even then I will likely switch to a 5-minute game anyway.

A mass chess server designed to pair up random largely anonymous people of roughly equal rating is really not the place to be playing if you want the social side of chess.

If you say it all the time though it is meaningless.  It's just like train companies coming over the tanoy saying "We apologise for any inconvenience caused by the delays".  They say it every time.  It ceases to carry any meaning, it's just part of the script that is done every time.

Good chess players can play any time control and some like variety.  You can argue any type of chess is not "real chess" if you're obsessed with doing so.

Opening books and all sorts of on the side help is allowed in correspondance chess so is that "real chess"?  People win on time in Blitz chess too.  People occasionally win on time in slow chess or, far more often their opponent gets into time trouble and blunders which is the same thing.

Nakamura vs Magnus is just one matchup.  Nakamura has been No. 2 in the world and is solidly top 10.  So if he can't play your "real chess" then the group of people who can is kind of small!

Players who just try to win on time in bullet are the players who just languish around with sub-1300 ratings and lose regularly.  They are just being dumb people, irrespective of whether they are playing bullet chess or not!

there is absolutely ettiqutte in chess! at least in otb. it s not a breach of ettiquette to play to win but there is definitely ettiqutte in chess

wow Nakamura use to be rude like that? I love bullet Chess sometimes when I'm down to a few seconds I will just randomly move so my clock won't run out but for the most part the game is Strategy

Since when was chess boiled down to just being 'thinking' as the most important element?

Chess has a set of rules.  If you follow them then you are playing chess.  It's not hard to understand!

Some people think fast, some people think slowly, some people seemingly think about anything but the game they are playing.  Some people think for ages and play bad moves, some don't think at all and play good moves.

Saying chess is just about thinking is just like boiling down any activity to one component that you arbitrarily think is the most important. You don't need to think to see a Knight fork, you just see it and instantly recognise the pattern.  Likewise any number of tactics that people play.

You might as well just say it isn't chess unless you think for between 3 minutes 37 seconds and 7 minutes 28 seconds per move otherwise there's too little thinking or too much time wasting or whatever else you want to pull out of thin air as a reason!

If you can't play bullet chess just don't play it.

If you think during bullet, you will lose on time. You must simply see and already know. There's no time for thinking.

If you don't play to win, then why play at all? There is no such thing as bad etiquette on the board in any time control that isn't breaking the rules.

If I am playing bullet, and my opponent is sac'ing all his pieces, that just makes the end game for me that much easier. The toughest thing is playing bullet, trying to check mate your opponent, and he is playing crafty defense or crafty counters. Blind sac's in bullet usually just make the end game for the opponent easier.

TRUE THAT, and sorry for shouting.

jengaias wrote:

denner90 wrote:

Oh and I forgot another whine the whiners cry-"Bullet isn't chess". what a crock! What is it then? Scabble?? Because I move faster than you or I sac my rooks with 2 seconds left or I violate opening principals, that means we're not playing chess? And luck? Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. If you make a stupid move because you're under time pressure, and I capitalize on it, how is that luck? What a bunch of chess snob babies.

We learn chess by studying games of great players.Great games were great plans or great tactics were created and great moves were played.Chess basic ingredient is thinking.Remove that and you have 2 monkeys moving the pieces trying to make each other lose from time.If 2 monkeys that know the moves simpy move pieces across the board , would you call it chess?If yes , then I am wrong and you are right.Because I wouldn't.

Will you ever open a book and find that someone is trying to teach you strategy from bullet chess games?What's the value of chess if the card games my grandma plays need more thinking?If you see value in this then again , I am wrong and you are right.Because I don't.

If you take basketball and make the game end in one minute would it be basketball?The rules would be the same , it would be played the same but all the essence of the game would be simply lost.All the ingredients that make a basketball game exciting would be simply gone.And nooe would agree that the winner was the best team.Because simply 1 minute is not enough to have best team.If you think it is , then  you are right and I am wrong.

If my friend and I go out into the street and shoot a basketball at a hoop and maybe play one on one, are we not playing basketball? Maybe not the official NBA version, but basketball nonetheless. And two monkeys moving pieces, as long as they remain within the established rules of the game, can play chess. Why not? It wont be anything for the record books but so what. As for poker, there is no "bullet poker" but if a player is taking too long- will not another call the clock? I think someone sitting in judgement of the quality of play of others and therefore determining whether the event is deemed authentic is the height of elitism.

I know this is an old post but my opinion  is timeless ..I think bullet doesn't disrespect chess and can count as a type of chess .PROVIDING   people that are playing the moves are trying to play chess its good to get all the extra games in for practicing opening play ..you know 1.h4 c5  2.f3! kidding aside when someone plays actual chess its good drilling the openings . What I find most frustrating is those that do NOT try to play chess, all they do is clock moves position doesn't matter, add to the pleasantries when you premove against these same players and your good move is destroyed by a on purpose Qxf6 blunder sac and your premove is something sound . wont work in skittles over the board, you see their moves ahead of time as touch the piece and moves it is seen.Makes me wonder how bullet players can deselect their premoves if someone played a move this way . so I find I cannot pre-move I have to select  my move and wait . So this type of player is not playing chess, really only playing points, clock, premove, skill be damned . then they wonder why it doesnt work in otb skittles as their otb blitz rating is hundreds of points lower smh. That type I think can be considered as disrespecting chess, another type do a move when your flag is going to fall and they have like 30 seconds left waits and then does an on purpose queen blunder checking the K or whatever to make you lose on time . those players are disrespectful... so mix these 2 of these types of crap traits together then yes , absolutely they do disrespect chess. 

lmaooo   yes 

Not only they lack etiquette but also they are also a living proof of the fact that chess has hardly any impact on overall cognitive ability of a person.