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Silfir

Premoves are a live chess feature that lets you set up your move before it's your turn, and once it is your turn, the move is performed instantly.

The bad dude described in the OP uses the feature to set up a quick 3 move queen grab in hopes his opponent blunder their queen away thanks to premoves, and if it doesn't work and he loses the bishop, resigns the game. However, since the game is shorter than four moves, it will not be rated. In this way, he can ordinarily never lose rating points at all, since the only games he will ever play beyond move 3 are the ones in which he is up a queen for a bishop. (I imagine being an idiot he will lose the odd game of that from time to time, but not enough to make it "not worth it", rating-wise.)

This scheme really relies on people using premoves a lot in the opening, which is really only the case in bullet chess. This emphasis on making quick moves rather than actually smart moves using software technology is what causes opinionated duffers like me to dismiss online bullet chess as "not real chess".

dillydream
Silfir wrote:

Premoves are a live chess feature that lets you set up your move before it's your turn, and once it is your turn, the move is performed instantly.

The bad dude described in the OP uses the feature to set up a quick 3 move queen grab in hopes his opponent blunder their queen away thanks to premoves, and if it doesn't work and he loses the bishop, resigns the game. However, since the game is shorter than four moves, it will not be rated. In this way, he can ordinarily never lose rating points at all, since the only games he will ever play beyond move 3 are the ones in which he is up a queen for a bishop. (I imagine being an idiot he will lose the odd game of that from time to time, but not enough to make it "not worth it", rating-wise.)

This scheme really relies on people using premoves a lot in the opening, which is really only the case in bullet chess. This emphasis on making quick moves rather than actually smart moves using software technology is what causes opinionated duffers like me to dismiss online bullet chess as "not real chess".


Thanks for a very good, clear explanation.  I don't think bullet chess would be the game for me, either.

TheYear9876

i think we should have some sympathy for this chap. are rating points soooooooooo important  to him that he has to resort to this idiocy?

Silfir

It's likely that this one was an honest mistake - i. e. your opponent thought you'd be playing 2.c4, after which e6 is a perfectly normal book move, and losing his queen, immediately resigned the game, perhaps not even realizing it wouldn't count for rating. Check some of his other games to be sure.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Serves you right, the Alekhine is awful and you never deserve to win any points after having played it. Also 1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 is dubious at best and so you don't deserve those points either.

ozzie_c_cobblepot
Fezzik wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

I don't think it's abort, I think it's resigning, but it is still not a rated game.

Don't worry, this will all be fixed in the near future...


 What do you mean?


Sorry, Fezzik, but you're on a need-to-know basis, and you don't need to know.

632rocks
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Can you imagine what a complete waste of time it is, to keep playing the same trappy ...d6 and ...Bg4 moves, in hopes of getting lucky? Can you imagine further the embarrassment of losing even after being up a queen?

It just strikes me that some people will really spend their time this way. It's like the old puzzle: if you had an infinite supply of 1$ checks, how many of them would you cash? You have to sign them legibly, and you have to deposit them in the bank. And you have to fill out the deposit slip. People who play ...d6 and ...Bg4 would deposit their 1$ checks until, well, until, hmm I don't think they would ever stop.


 How many checks could you cash in an hour?  I dunno about you but I work $10.25 an hour washing dishes..

Atos
rich wrote:

One of my opponents aborted after this happened in a 1 min bullet. I did not get any points though.

 


I'd say that you were going for a cheap trick with 2.Bg5 here.

pumbles
632rocks wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Can you imagine what a complete waste of time it is, to keep playing the same trappy ...d6 and ...Bg4 moves, in hopes of getting lucky? Can you imagine further the embarrassment of losing even after being up a queen?

It just strikes me that some people will really spend their time this way. It's like the old puzzle: if you had an infinite supply of 1$ checks, how many of them would you cash? You have to sign them legibly, and you have to deposit them in the bank. And you have to fill out the deposit slip. People who play ...d6 and ...Bg4 would deposit their 1$ checks until, well, until, hmm I don't think they would ever stop.


 How many checks could you cash in an hour?  I dunno about you but I work $10.25 an hour washing dishes..


i would just sign the cheques and hire mexicans to fill in the forms and deposit them in the bank.

632rocks
pumbles wrote:
632rocks wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Can you imagine what a complete waste of time it is, to keep playing the same trappy ...d6 and ...Bg4 moves, in hopes of getting lucky? Can you imagine further the embarrassment of losing even after being up a queen?

It just strikes me that some people will really spend their time this way. It's like the old puzzle: if you had an infinite supply of 1$ checks, how many of them would you cash? You have to sign them legibly, and you have to deposit them in the bank. And you have to fill out the deposit slip. People who play ...d6 and ...Bg4 would deposit their 1$ checks until, well, until, hmm I don't think they would ever stop.


 How many checks could you cash in an hour?  I dunno about you but I work $10.25 an hour washing dishes..


i would just sign the cheques and hire mexicans to fill in the forms and deposit them in the bank.


 That would work too.

gorgeous_vulture
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Serves you right, the Alekhine is awful and you never deserve to win any points after having played it. Also 1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 is dubious at best and so you don't deserve those points either.


Got to agree with the malevolent Antarctic seabird on this one Laughing

EthicsGradient
Three things are currently missing and are affecting bullet greatly: 1 ability to play with or without premoves (both players - dictated by game creator) 2 ability to enforce a noescape setting for individual games. You resign, dropout or pass a lag threshold - you forfeit for points -even if you've not moved once 3 ability to set a lag threshold that auto forfeits the game if you breach it.
TheOldReb
Silfir wrote:

Premoves are a live chess feature that lets you set up your move before it's your turn, and once it is your turn, the move is performed instantly.

The bad dude described in the OP uses the feature to set up a quick 3 move queen grab in hopes his opponent blunder their queen away thanks to premoves, and if it doesn't work and he loses the bishop, resigns the game. However, since the game is shorter than four moves, it will not be rated. In this way, he can ordinarily never lose rating points at all, since the only games he will ever play beyond move 3 are the ones in which he is up a queen for a bishop. (I imagine being an idiot he will lose the odd game of that from time to time, but not enough to make it "not worth it", rating-wise.)

This scheme really relies on people using premoves a lot in the opening, which is really only the case in bullet chess. This emphasis on making quick moves rather than actually smart moves using software technology is what causes opinionated duffers like me to dismiss online bullet chess as "not real chess".


                                      A  M  E  N  !! 

gorgeous_vulture

Premove would be great for Tactics Trainer though, for those of us beset by lag Laughing

gorgeous_vulture
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Can you imagine what a complete waste of time it is, to keep playing the same trappy ...d6 and ...Bg4 moves, in hopes of getting lucky? Can you imagine further the embarrassment of losing even after being up a queen?

It just strikes me that some people will really spend their time this way. It's like the old puzzle: if you had an infinite supply of 1$ checks, how many of them would you cash? You have to sign them legibly, and you have to deposit them in the bank. And you have to fill out the deposit slip. People who play ...d6 and ...Bg4 would deposit their 1$ checks until, well, until, hmm I don't think they would ever stop.


 Actually I'd liken it more to having an infinite supply of lottery tickets, each with a $1 payout, but you need to scratch off the silvery thing to find out if you've won. You're going to go to a lot of effort for no payout most of the time.

1pawndown

My pet peeve is with guys who have cleary lost games and go "on vacation" for a month. Why not just resign it ?

Silfir

The won game will still be won in a month. In fact, they're displaying their inadequacy and your superiority for everyone to see one month longer. That's actually really nice from them, once you stop to think about it. They went out of their way so that, for an entire month, everyone can visit their profile, look at their ongoing games, and think "Geez, that 1pawndown dude is totally taking off this guy's pants there, dang, he must be good". Be more grateful, will you?

TheYear9876

i am playing a 10day per move game. my opponent is a queen and a rook down. he makes a move, then waits until he has 30 mins left, makes another move and repeats the process. i have  asked him why but get no reply. idiot.

Atos
RainbowRising wrote:

This is true, but there are people using just plain shit connections, who lag all the time. This eliminates this. Remember nothing is perfect.


I think that chess.com recently made it so that the server doesn't compensate for lag if it's more than 2 seconds, so that should take care of that.

Atos
RainbowRising wrote:
Atos wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:

This is true, but there are people using just plain shit connections, who lag all the time. This eliminates this. Remember nothing is perfect.


I think that chess.com recently made it so that the server doesn't compensate for lag if it's more than 2 seconds, so that should take care of that.


Link?


Sorry, can't find it at the moment.