bad white opening?

  • #1

    Since I'm a pretty low-rated player, I usually play this opening and don't really play fancy openings.  I played this opening against this really good guy in my chess club.  I play it every time as white, and he tells me that it's a bad opening.  Is that true? 

  • #2

    Yup, 4...Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Bd3 dxe4 7. Bxe4 Ne7.

  • #3

    No, it isn't. Perhaps your opponent is thinking of 4...Nxe4 which has been claimed good for Black. But after 4...Nxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4 White has a comfortable position.

    {edit: 7...Ne7 8.c3 is nothing White has to worry about]

  • #4

    Try 4. d3, which activates the Queen's Bishop. You may want to play a3 as well to retreat the King's Bishop after ...Na5 (but if 4...Na5, 5.Nxe5 should win).

  • #5

    In the main line there is 4...Nxe4 5.O-O but it's not that great. Sometimes I get 5.Bxe4 Qxe4 6.Nc3 Qd8 (I don't feel comfy with the queen in other places.) 7.d3 Bg4 when the pin is annoying.

  • #6

    Do you honestly think White has an advantage?

  • #7

    No lol.

  • #8

    4...Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Bd3 dxe4 7. Bxe4 Ne7 is most probably the critical line- although the less known 7...Nb4!? which uses the same idea, is also quite interesting- factly, this very odd-looking move is scoring superbly.

    The main issue is that the traditional "refutation", namely 7...Bd6 is probably very slightly better for white after 8.0-0 0-0 9.Re1 Bg4 10.c3 (inserting 10.h3 Bh5 is to Black's interest, since after 11.c3 f5 Black can cover a check from b3 with ...Bf7) 10...Qd7 Black has "almost" equalized (but he is definitely not even close to better, as numerous sources claim).

  • #9

    Not bad, but not best.

  • #10

    Yep.  Black should try 4..Nxe4  for example 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Nxe4 turns out that Black's King is reasonably safe and he gets time to consolidate with good chances.

  • #11

    For your level, if an opponent cannot get you chekmated or material advantage in 10 moves, I think it is ok. At his level, he can think it is a bad position, but he should play the position vs a player with the same level, and not you. 

    Because whatever opening or moves you make at your level, I am certain he can find a better refutation. Because you say he is good.

    If he is your mentor, then you should listen to him atm. But he should take your level into consideration.

    As Black, I would play 4. ... Bb4 followed by 0-0 sometime later to protect  f7 pawn. Or I can play 4. ... h3. But don't count on me, because I seldom to never play 1. .... e5.

  • #12
    Jpatrick wrote:

    Yep.  Black should try 4..Nxe4  for example 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Nxe4 turns out that Black's King is reasonably safe and he gets time to consolidate with good chances.

    5.Bxf7 is a patzer's move, though, you should not expect encountering it against any sane opponent.

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