How to maximise your chess wins: the "Time zone method"

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Powerish wrote:

@Francisweed - yes, I think the assumptions of this post are mostly bunk on the face of them, not to mention whether trying for a rating above your true skill with stupid tricks is really something people should be perusing. 

 

The closest I have come is playing daily chess. There are a few times when I have noted that my opponent was playing late at night in his time zone, and sometimes even playing poorly, and I'll make a point of responding right away in order to play as many moves as possible while I'm at an alertness advantage.  I don't think it comes up enough to really affect ratings.   

Thanks for your response Powerish - you have highlighted precisely the way in which you can implement the "Timezone Method" to your advantage. So its obviously not bunk at all - its just that no-one has bothered to dot the dots and do a serious study on this phenomenon, oh, and face the endless criticism for putting forward such an "outlandish" theory. 

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Kaddisj wrote:

Western European playing well past his bedtime. I have noticed the same, in the middle of the night (between 2am and 6am GMT+1), tired and watching tv at the same time it's one win after another. Any other time of day I'm generally getting more losses than wins.

Thanks for your input to the debate Kaddisj - you have hit the nail on the head! You have provided empirical evidence to prove that there are certain times of the day when wins are much easier, based on your timezone, or your opponent's timezone.

Turns out my theory isn't crazy after all! When do I get my Nobel Prize???

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wizardKM wrote:

Actually, everyone take a step back and look more closely at his theory...it's easy to be skeptical if you only look at the surface, but dig a little deeper and do some research; try it out in practice. After all, there IS a precedent for using alternative statistics in order to achieve wins-----remember that old film MONEYBALL?? They--the General Manager and his assistant-- of the team Oakland Athletics, also used alternative stats to "cherry-pick" their players, and they won games as a result, going all the way to the World Series even. So how about we test his theory rather than just abjectly dismissing it out of hand?

Thanks for being a true believer Wizard buddy!

You are exactly right - lots of people use many methods, including superstitions, to get a subtle advantage over their opponent (or a system like a lottery or online gambling, or the tax office).

Why shouldn't we do the same for chess? We can't all be naturally brilliant, some of us need to resort to other means.

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Powerish wrote:

@Francisweed - yes, I think the assumptions of this post are mostly bunk on the face of them, not to mention whether trying for a rating above your true skill with stupid tricks is really something people should be perusing. 

 

The closest I have come is playing daily chess. There are a few times when I have noted that my opponent was playing late at night in his time zone, and sometimes even playing poorly, and I'll make a point of responding right away in order to play as many moves as possible while I'm at an alertness advantage.  I don't think it comes up enough to really affect ratings.   

To be honest, I've done this sometimes on a Saturday night when I'm pretty sure my opponent is drunk.

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Powerish wrote:

@Francisweed - yes, I think the assumptions of this post are mostly bunk on the face of them, not to mention whether trying for a rating above your true skill with stupid tricks is really something people should be perusing. 

 

The closest I have come is playing daily chess. There are a few times when I have noted that my opponent was playing late at night in his time zone, and sometimes even playing poorly, and I'll make a point of responding right away in order to play as many moves as possible while I'm at an alertness advantage.  I don't think it comes up enough to really affect ratings.   

Thanks for your response Powerish - you have highlighted precisely the way in which you can implement the "Timezone Method" to your advantage. So its obviously not bunk at all - its just that no-one has bothered to dot the dots and do a serious study on this phenomenon, oh, and face the endless criticism for putting forward such an "outlandish" theory. 

 

In my case I'm using a plausible, and sometimes even observed, advantage based on a difference in time zones. 

Much of your theory relies on the premise that a 1500 rated player from Russia or India is better than a 1500 rated player from Canada. That's what I am questioning. It hasn't been my experience and I don't think it is true.   The Russians and Indians may be better players in general, but they are rewarded with higher ratings. 

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technical_knockout wrote:

just take a look at your 'insights' & play when it says you have the best results.

do non paying members have that ability?

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technical_knockout wrote:

just take a look at your 'insights' & play when it says you have the best results.

I think that might actually be a legit strategy. I know i play bullet best between 1AM and 5AM.

 

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wizardKM wrote:

Actually, everyone take a step back and look more closely at his theory...it's easy to be skeptical if you only look at the surface, but dig a little deeper and do some research; try it out in practice. After all, there IS a precedent for using alternative statistics in order to achieve wins-----remember that old film MONEYBALL?? They--the General Manager and his assistant-- of the team Oakland Athletics, also used alternative stats to "cherry-pick" their players, and they won games as a result, going all the way to the World Series even. So how about we test his theory rather than just abjectly dismissing it out of hand?

I’m not dismissing it because of any skepticism, I’m dismissing it because it’s a way of conniving your way to win games instead of actually just improving your own game, which is what we all should be doing

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I’m not dismissing it because of any skepticism, I’m dismissing it because it’s a way of conniving your way to win games instead of actually just improving your own game, which is what we all should be doing

 

Exactly! 

I think it makes a lot of faulty assumptions and it questionable as far as whether it will work.  If it works at all  it can't be much of a ratings boost. 

 

But this is the other issue.   If you build up your rating by playing at some funny inconvenient time them so what?   And for ever more do you only play at the inconvenient time to preserve your rating?  

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In short: never play when you need sleep. Always play your opponent when he needs sleep. Unless you're Fischer, then it's best to just not play him even if he's asleep.

P.S. This is not a 'theory'. It's a well-known, basic fact that players are at their best during the day. Also: if you beat a drunk Russian at midnight, I don't think it's very impressive. It doesn't mean you're better than him, only that you have inflated your ratings, and are cherry-picking your opponents to force wins beyond your level, as to make yourself look better than you are. Chess online is inflated enough, this is just unacceptable, and possibly one of the clear negative outcomes of flooding Chess with too many new, non-serious players over the last few years.

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