it depends in every position... if open position bishop is probably better if closed position its knight probably more superior... but over all they are equall....
Bishops are not better than Knights
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Apr 24, 2013
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#143
LongIslandMark wrote:
In case I missed the joke in Martin0's 32 bishops, since none of them can move, white can probably force mate with the one light-squared bishop, yes? Avoiding stalemate might be tricky.
I think it IS a forced mate, tbh. the darks squares may as well not exist, they will not affect anything for either side. Is just a matter of forcing the black king to h1 or a8, and checkmate him. Stalemate should be avoidable.
The letter T is better than the letter W
And water is better than air.
varelse1 wrote:
LOL
Didn't anybody tell you you can never trust general statements??
There's exactly one general statement that you can trust ;-)
waffllemaster wrote:
Actually a discovery was recently made of a remnant group of Soviet era GMs. This group of 12 grandmasters had survived for 30 years isolated from the world in a bunker 20 floors below sea level. They returned to the surface because their food stores finally ran out. They reported that their monomaniacal quest to solve chess had born fruit! They were close many times, however only 1 man solved chess. Unfortunately he paid a heavy price, his sanity.
Although the madness had stripped the man of his ability to communicate he demonstrated his prowess by easily defeating houdini in a match where he gave the engine pawn odds. The others report that on the day chess was solved, and just before the madness had taken him over, his last words were: "I KNOW HOW THE KNIGHT MOVES!" after which he immediately collapsed.
So yes, to you and I the knight is completely unpredictable. But to that poor insane genius... and perhaps God if God exists... the knight's movements are understood entirely.
Nice little story. You should write more, if you don't already, or share more what you do write, if you do already.
They must've had a LOT of food with them. lol
Not sure if it was mentioned already, but one unique superpower of the knight is that its attack can never be blocked by interposing a piece. Many of the tactics I see involving knights work only because the king or other attacked piece only has the choice to run or capture the knight. If the knight is involved in a double check, then it's even more deadly, because capturing the knight or the other attacker is also impossible in that case, in addition to not being able to interpose, and that leaves moving out of check as the only option.
Apr 25, 2013
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#149
@sapientdust " If the knight is involved in a double check, then it's even more deadly, because capturing the knight or the other attacker is also impossible in that case, in addition to not being able to interpose, and that leaves moving out of check as the only option. "
That's generally the point of double checks, you can't interpose or take either piece (except with the king).
Spaso1999 wrote:
knight + queen > bishop + queen
knight + rook < bishop + rook
I'd take K+N+2 pawns vs K+B+2 pawns....
They need to stop playing on the plurality of the word bishops...Yes, two bishops are generally better than two knights, " Bishop vs Knight "... a new ball of wax...
Yeah, you are right. That's not a distinction of the knight. What got me thinking about double checks though was that in a double check, only one of the three normal means of defense are possible (which is why they are so deadly), and the unique superpower of the knight to be immune to blocking means that only two of the three normal means of defense are ever possible against a knight, which is not true of any other piece.
On a related note, the knight can never be captured by the piece it is attacking unless the defending piece is also a knight, which isn't true of any other piece.
I knew it wouldn't be long before a bishop lover looked to post a won position to try disproving my "preference" ...I don't feel like thinking that hard right now...
nameno1had wrote:
I knew it wouldn't be long before a bishop lover looked to post a won position to try disproving my "preference" ...I don't feel like thinking that hard right now...
The first position is about equal, the knight is close enough to the pawn and the bishop does not control the queening square.
The second position white has a nice advantage, but probably not enough to win.
The third position is completely won (edit: for black obviously, edit2: maybe it is drawn, but white will lose the a pawn.).
It all depends on the position, if black has all dark sqaure pawns vs a dark square bishop and his knight is out of play, he is lost. Etc.
I am not a bishop lover, I just am trying to point out that one shouldn't be a knight lover either.
shepi, you do realize that people here aren't looking for facts or the truth, right?
Also shepi, you could do the same with any of the Q + N vs Q + B...etc...
but generally speaking, or from a crude options stand point...I'll stand by my choices...my minimal game play and analysis experience tells me this is true...Was Botvinnik wrong, simply because there are some exceptions to his rules and principles ? Maybe we should ask Karpov, Kasparov and Kramnik ?
I doubt that you can find any position where each side has a minor piece, 2 pawns and a king, that is a win.
Conditions are that the king activity must be about the same for each side, minor piece activity must be about the same, the pawns must be semi-defensable (i.e. no knight on b4 vs a pawn on c2 and a dark squared bishop with the king on the other side of the board), and the pawns must be advanced about the same amount. This will really test if there is actually a difference between N+2P v B+2P.
Honestly, look at the one sided position in my 3rd diagram. Black has further advanced pawns, his king is more advanced, and his knight dominates the bishop, and despite all of these extra advantages my engine believes in the following draw.
Without all of these advantages, I doubt that only the advantage of a knight could beat the advantage of a bishop.
How about starting a thread "1 bishop is better than 32 dark-squared bishops"?