Blitz and Bullet are not chess

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SeniorPatzer
bbmaxwell wrote:

 

He and Caruana are obviously treating blitz chess as if it were a "real" game. They're trying to make high quality moves every time. It's stupid.

 

Lol.  I can't fault Kamsky for being a purist.

 

JeffGreen333
bbmaxwell wrote:

IIRC Ziryab is a bit older, but it's true that with age comes slower calculation.

I guess age affects people differently then.   My memory isn't what it used to be either.   I did a lot of hard drugs in my teenage years though, so that might have something to do with it.   

JeffGreen333
bbmaxwell wrote:

Watch some of these guy play blitz... I was watching Kamsky a few days ago. He was just awful in terms of pace. And he did something I've only seen Caruana do... he resigned a lost position when his opponent had 5 seconds left. In other words he didn't try to flag. I was so disgusted I stopped watching him.

He and Caruana are obviously treating blitz chess as if it were a "real" game. They're trying to make high quality moves every time. It's stupid.

I think you just proved that blitz isn't real chess, with this comment.   lol   Throw me into that Caruana/Kamsky camp too.  I'm a perfectionist and I'd rather resign gracefully, when I have a lost position, than go for a cheap win on time.   I never play chess to win on time.   All I ever care about is winning the position on the board, regardless of whether I'm ahead or behind on time.   I feel like I lost when I lose a position, but win on time.   The only time I feel good about winning on time is when I have a totally won game and my opponent leaves my game and starts another game, hoping that I'll disconnect or get bored and log off.   I never do though.   I really enjoy watching their clocks slowly tick down.   lol    

Leopaws

I just don't agree man, it is chess for sure

JeffGreen333
bbmaxwell wrote: 

Well, at least you're sticking to your principles. You're not playing 3|0 games.

I think some people misunderstand about winning on time. I try to keep an eye on the clock during a blitz game. I use the time difference to make decisions. It's part of the strategy when choosing the type of endgame I go into, or the type of middlegame plan I pursue. Do I play my pawn break now or later? Do I exchange a pair of rooks?

I'm sure to a casual observer, some of my wins on time (when I have a losing position) look lucky... and some are definitely lucky. But check the last 15 moves. Was I winning then? If not, what were the clocks like? I'm happy to let my position deteriorate when the time required for my opponent to win is much greater than the time they have... and again it's not reckless, it's a strategic decision.

No, G/10 is the fastest I ever play these days and that's just to keep my blitz rating at a decent Glicko level.   I won't be playing any blitz games any more though, because I heard that chess.com changed G/10 to rapid.   If you're going to play blitz, I guess it's good to have a blitz strategy, like you mentioned.   If anything, I need to play even longer games, at my age.   G/30, G/60 or Daily.   

indiansniper007
bbmaxwell wrote:
indiansniper007 wrote:
bbmaxwell wrote

If you can't speed up you probably have bad calculation habits. You calculate on and on without knowing when or why to stop.

I've been there so this is partly projection on my part, but in any case it's true that efficient calculation isn't automatic.

Go and tell that to Caruana. There is reason why some people have higher classical ratings but cannot play on par with people like Nakamura in blitz. Calculation and pattern recognition are two different things. Having a better calculation ability doesn't help in blitz because there isn't enough time to calculate.You seem to be confusing pattern recognition with Calculation. 

Naa, that's probably why Caruana is @ss at speed chess. He has bad calculation habits (relative to blitz). Obviously his calculation habits work well for classical games.

You actually think he has poor pattern recognition? He's been living and breathing chess his whole life. He recognizes more patterns than almost anyone alive.

Well we're not comparing his pattern recognition to your, it's being compared to other elites.He has one of the best calculation ability in chess but what he lacks is practice in blitz games where you don't rely on calculation but on pattern recognition and intuition. 

Ziryab
bbmaxwell wrote:

IIRC Ziryab is a bit older, but it's true that with age comes slower calculation.

 

But my wife is younger.

JeffGreen333
indiansniper007 wrote:

Well we're not comparing his pattern recognition to your, it's being compared to other elites.He has one of the best calculation ability in chess but what he lacks is practice in blitz games where you don't rely on calculation but on pattern recognition and intuition. 

My feeling is that players like Caruana, Kamsky, Dominguez and Harikrishna are perfectionists like me.   They would rather lose on time than on the board.   While this does not add up to blitz championships, it does make one feel better about their game and leads to fulfillment that you speed demons just don't understand.   

SmyslovFan

Seirawan said that perfectionists should play correspondence. 

As Tal said, Live chess will always have errors. But that’s what makes it interesting.

JeffGreen333
SmyslovFan wrote:

Seirawan said that perfectionists should play correspondence. 

As Tal said, Live chess will always have errors. But that’s what makes it interesting.

I play Daily Chess on chess.com, for the most part.   Every once in a while, I'll play a rapid or blitz game "just for fun".   I still take those game seriously though and when I lose, I don't play chess again for several months.

Ziryab

I need a daily fix of blitz or I get ill.

BabaganoushPlayer

you people are insulting hikaru! why??? i spam live games for hours at a time, yet my rating never went up to 700, even though my puzzle's highest is 1708 sad.png. tal's quote basically is my chess motto.

SmyslovFan

This is Tal's exact quote:

“Of course, errors are not good for a chess game, but errors are unavoidable and in any case, a game without errors, or as they say 'flawless game' is colorless.”
Mikhail Tal

Hume76

I think "forbidding" people who play blitz games for fun as their preference is the sort of nonsense one would expect to see in China.  Try thinking outside your narrow perspective and do not try to tell the rest of us what kinds of game we can play and enjoy.

2Ke21-0
Hume76 wrote:

I think "forbidding" people who play blitz games for fun as their preference is the sort of nonsense one would expect to see in China.  Try thinking outside your narrow perspective and do not try to tell the rest of us what kinds of game we can play and enjoy.

Overall, I agree with your message though I advise that you refrain from racism whether that was intentional or not. 

2Kd21-0
Hume76 wrote:

I think "forbidding" people who play blitz games for fun as their preference is the sort of nonsense one would expect to see in China.  Try thinking outside your narrow perspective and do not try to tell the rest of us what kinds of game we can play and enjoy.

I completely agree I mean China is very well known for authoritarianism in its government so I don't its racist but to avoid pissing of less well tempered people just say authoritarian.

2Ke21-0
2Kd21-0 wrote:
Hume76 wrote:

I think "forbidding" people who play blitz games for fun as their preference is the sort of nonsense one would expect to see in China.  Try thinking outside your narrow perspective and do not try to tell the rest of us what kinds of game we can play and enjoy.

I completely agree I mean China is very well known for authoritarianism in its government so I don't its racist but to avoid pissing of less well tempered people just say authoritarian.

^^^

alekhineslovechild

Delete the C-word before David finds it.

NubbyCheeseking

Everybody is ignoring one huge elephant in the room

If chess was made to play the best moves every round, relying only on skill, then why were clocks made? I'm almost certain sometimes some grandmasters have to hurry because the time control isn't enough (in classical), so if what I said in the beginning is what makes chess "real" or "not", then, there is no real chess! Apart from unlimited time, but I'm going to make the assumption that clocks were added to speed up the game or something related (feel free to correct me) Blitz just enhances a feature that was added to the game, classical however, a little less.

If you have a reason with time, get rid of clocks. Then you pontentially have games that last hours at hand.

JeffGreen333
2Ke21-0 wrote:
Hume76 wrote:

I think "forbidding" people who play blitz games for fun as their preference is the sort of nonsense one would expect to see in China.  Try thinking outside your narrow perspective and do not try to tell the rest of us what kinds of game we can play and enjoy.

Overall, I agree with your message though I advise that you refrain from racism whether that was intentional or not. 

It's obvious to me that his comment was not a racist comment directed towards Chinese people, but was instead a reference to China's Communist dictatorship.   They basically tell you what to think.