Blitz and Bullet are not chess

Totally agree - when one side is reduced to arguing that bullet chess and blitz chess are the same as classical chess because the rules are the same, it's pretty much game over. That, of course, was never the intent of the debate because, if it were, the original post would have read (or could have been translated to read): "Do bullet and blitz chess have the same rules as classical chess?"

Since when has ill thought out or poor moves not been a part of standard Chess ?

100 meter sprints and 26.2 miles are both still running.

They always have been; I've been saying that the likelihood of ill thought out and poor moves increases (dramatically) in bullet and blitz because there's not enough time to think. Bullet and blitz players may also avoid playing a sound queen sacrifice simply because they don't have enough time to calculate the consequences of it

I was responding to the OP and not your post specifically ;-)

Peace

Hokey dokey:)

At what speed does it become chess?

Certainly at a speed greater than one minute per game lol

Don't take offense, but it's like you're in an endgame with only a King while your opponent has a King and three Queens and you somehow think you'll pull out a win. I think this thread has pretty much run its course

That's not an answer. What speed?

I see you played Kb2. I will respond with Q(2)a4+

Your move lol.

It actually is an answer because it relates directly to the proposition that bullet chess is chess.

It might be an answer, but it's not an answer to the question I asked.

Ah, I see you're trying to centralize your King with Kc3.

Mmmmmmmmmm; so many different moves to consider.

Let's go with Q(7)h3+

To respond off-the-board (keep thinking...you may pull out a stalemate!), if someone proves it is unsafe to drive on the highway at 200 mph, it's not necessary for that person to determine the speed at which it is safe to drive on the highway. Don't mean to disturb your thinking about the King move. Take your time lol

Is chess so limiting that it can't encompass anything but some specific time control parameters??   Most sites, venues and organizations separate classical from blitz and from rapidplay and some even further separate blitz into categories like bullet or lightning, admitting there's a difference. But they don't ban these things as non-chess because they don't fall under some preconceived chess umbrella.  These things are definitely chess. What they aren't is classical chess.  Some old players might think classical chess isn't chess anymore when it doesn't allow for adjournments.  Even older players might have bridled at the concept of using a clock at all. Everybody seems to have their own snobbery level.

It's not snobbery, it's just the undeniable fact that the quality of a bullet chess game is nowhere near the quality of a chess game played under classical time controls (comparing the same players) because the bullet players don't have enough time to think. If chess is a complicated game of skill, if there are more possible chess games than there are atoms in the universe, one would think that more than a minute of thinking time per game is necessary for a quality game.

We're back on the same merry-go-round, but I can see the line for the roller coaster has gotten shorter, so I'm going over there.

Thanks all for the great conversation. See you later at the arcade lol

BTW, I've never argued for banning bullet and blitz; I couldn't care less how many people play them. My only concern is that Interzonals and the WCC might be dumbed down to blitz time controls and amateur tournaments may not have as many tournaments with classical time controls.

Play bullet and blitz to your heart's content. Makes no difference to me. But don't try to say the quality of the chess you're playing in bullet is any good cause it's not.

Cheerio!

I don't think anyone with half a brain would think rapidplay or faster equates to classical chess in quality.  Bullet seems like almost nonsense to me, but it's certainly chess.

Insults - the last refuge of the vanquished. I guess when one has nothing constructive to say and has seen his/her argument collapse into pieces, it's time to start name calling lol.

Why do you say bullet chess is chess? Because it's played by the same rules? That's the position the bullet and blitz advocates were reduced to arguing (though it was never the intent of the topic.) Glad you reached their conclusion in a few minutes, instead of it taking more than 100 posts and 24 hours lol.

I don't mind being 'reduced to arguing' the correct side of a debate while you talk nonsense to be fair.

You didn't answer, at what time control does it become chess?