blitz/bullet rating is the only thing that matters in internet chess

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Gianglian

Like other people have said, it's not any harder to cheat in blitz/bullet than it is in correspondence.

Kasporov_Jr
iMacChess wrote:

I for one don't have the patience for correspondence chess and it is reflected in my rating. My ratings are mostly equal across-the-board. In my opinion and this is only my opinion, people who have a Blitz rating of 1200 and a correspondence rating of 2000 are most likely cheating on the correspondence. A rating should not very that much. There are so many ways to cheat (have a friend who's higher-rated play for you, ask a higher-rated friend to help you on the moves, chess engines, etc.) and so many different reasons why to do it. (Bragging rights, trying to feel important, wanting to be noticed, etc. etc.)

As far as how important Internet rating is compared to regular rating I think that's all depends on the person. I don't have very many if any tournaments for adults being played in my area, so the Internet is pretty much all I got. I have to agree with Kasporov_Jr mostly on this one...

it's true bro, cheating in correspondence chess is so easy & hard caught, you can literally use a chess engine for 2-3 moves a time multiple times during a chess match without looking obvious.

 

in blitz/bullet, chess knowledge is all raw power, eithe you know it or you dont. thats why I respect people with high blitz/bullet than CC . And people with extremely high CC ratings, but low bullet/blitz is extremely sketchy. Pretty much every modern day GM like Carsen, Nikamura, Anand are all extremely good at blitz/bullet as well.

Kasporov_Jr
mrhjornevik wrote:

But all this is becous difference in rank. If I had had a 2000 blitz rating but only 1000 correspondenc it would be just as weird...

not really. Playing bullet/blitz is way more convenient for mostly everyone since it's fast-paced, and finished right at the spot. CC chess takes weeks, even months to finish one game. 

 

Not many people give a **** about CC chess that are actually good. Most high rated blitz/bullet players ( people actually good at chess) dismiss it as useless and boring.

Kasporov_Jr
Gianglian wrote:

Like other people have said, it's not any harder to cheat in blitz/bullet than it is in correspondence.

lol I hope your trolling. Cheating in bullet/blitz requires time to plug in + find moves, which require plently of time, something that you lack in fast-paced games. You would need to have an extremely fast chess engine + know how to program your scripts perfectly to give you ample time to cheat in blitz games.

mrhjornevik
Kasporov_Jr wrote:
 

lol I hope your trolling. Cheating in bullet/blitz requires time to plug in + find moves, which require plently of time, something that you lack in fast-paced games. You would need to have an extremely fast chess engine + know how to program your scripts perfectly to give you ample time to cheat in blitz games.

wait what? do you even know how computers work? What a moderatly powerfull computer you could analyze the game within seconds, and its not like the program have to reevaluate the entire match every time, just the latest move.

What you are basicly saying her is that there is no computers capable of playing blitz?

Technicaly I dont even have to be on the computer since I can presett the program to start matches at random intervalls. I could (in theory atleast) write a program today, lett it run in the bacground of my computer for a year and log in as the best rated player in chess.com history without having to move a single pice myself..

johnmusacha

A lot of people agree with the sentiment in the original post.  In fact, it has been statistically proven that a person's chess.com blitz ratings are about 200 points lower than that same person's USCF standard ratings

ameraljic
Kasporov_Jr wrote:

I'm tired of people bragging about having '' high '' correspondence chess ratings, yet see thier blitz rating be a measily 1200. Having a 1800+ bullet/blitz rating is more respectable than being a 2000 in Correspondence chess

 

 

I'm rating 1850 uscf rating in chess, and my bullet/blitz rating accurately describes it. Correspondence chess is extremely unrealistically long, what tournament in the world will you have more than 2 weeks for a game? If your good at chess, the moves will come to you quick, you dont need 24 hours to analyze.

 

and it's so easy to cheat in correspodence chess every once in a while, you can look at a chess engince for a couple of moves & it will go unnoticed. But you dont have time to fool around with blitz/bullet.

Completely agree. I have roughly a 1600 blitz/bullet and I'm sure as hell that I would beat most of these ''1800 correspondence'' guys in a real life FIDE tournament. My standard and online chess rating says nothing about my play.

Till_98

I have the same opinion but as a matter of principle I disagree with him just because its a Kasporov_Jr threat.

AKAL1
mashanator wrote:
johnmusacha wrote:

 ...it has been statistically proven that a person's chess.com blitz ratings are about 200 points lower than that same person's USCF standard ratings

Link? I have a very strong feeling you are pulling this out of your ass.

It is more of an anecdote than a fact

iMacChess

@RobK44 I agree. Cheating doesn't even require a Chess engine, you could have help from a higher-rated friend or even let that friend play for you using your account.

Kasporov_Jr
RobK44 wrote:

If somebody wanted to cheat in a 5 min blitz game, it would be easy.

cheating in a blitz/bullet game will require plently of time plugging in moves + reading the output, and actually moving the moves in real life, all of which are extremely time consuming.

mrhjornevik

kasp, please read my response above before repeating yourself again.

There is absolutly no reason why you would need to plugging in the moves, reading the output or moving the pices yourself. You dont even have to be in the room.

You could have a simple program running in the background of your computer playing games the whole day, without you having to push a single button..

Till_98

Thats too obvious mrhjornevik... You will be suspected by cheating already after one day here on chess.com so you wont last long on this site with this obvious method

Kasporov_Jr
mrhjornevik wrote:

kasp, please read my response above before repeating yourself again.

There is absolutly no reason why you would need to plugging in the moves, reading the output or moving the pices yourself. You dont even have to be in the room.

You could have a simple program running in the background of your computer playing games the whole day, without you having to push a single button..

no f***** sh***, obvious cheating is obvious cheating, seriously no one does that crap and is not banned. People that do that get banned quickly. What I am saying is people can cheat with engines 100x easier and less catchable in CC chess than blitz/bullet

mrhjornevik

How many moves could I cheat with in cc games then?

I just program it to do every x move for me and II do the rest, or I add a button that I can press to make the computer make the next move, point being we are on the web, if I want to cheat I'll do it. Time is not an issue.

johnmusacha

Here is my link, jerk:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/livechess/chesscom-ratings-are-deflated-against-uscf

johnmusacha
mashanator wrote:

The OP of that thread is an obvious joke that refuses to learn, sweetie. Taking his word for something is far from "statistical proof". In fact, I would say it's the exact opposite. xoxoxoxxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Nope.  Read the entire thread before drawing any conclusions.  Von Rinkleff's hypothesis and data are sound.

Likhit1

Reminds me of the thread-3 reasons why online chess ratings deserve no respect.Was it you who created it?Btw,even I don't like Correspondence chess and agree that Blitz/Bullet ratings are a better measure of skill.(It's not because I have a pathetic correspondence rating).

zborg

CC is for older folks, and perfectionists.  More power to them.  People's reaction time slows down after about age 45.  Just above Annad, naturally.  Laughing

And CC ratings are (for most people) higher than their Blitz ratings.  More time makes for better play, and less errors.  Simple.

As for cheats -- they are all all rating levels and all time controls.  Live with it.

JGambit

it is very possible to program a computer to cheat in bullet. that said, anyone with a chess engine can cheat in CC or for that matter 30 minute games. My conclusion agrees with but adds to Kasparov jrs.

 online I only trust blitz and bullet ratings and even that can be sketchy