It's quite funny how the OP decided to have a dig at CC players, yet his rating is 716 in correspondence chess with a total of 7 wins, 83 losses and 1 draw and a standard live rating is non-existent for him. Obviously he fails miserably in longer time controls.
Since this is a 12 month old thread I hope he's stuck around long enough to see this.
By definition, the rules are not the same.
If you went fishing and immediately started reeling in your line the second it touched water, would you still call that fishing? Bullet "chess" is a similarly absurd concept. Once you cross the 1 min or less threshold the game is far more about the clock than about winning a game of chess.
By definition, the rules are not the same.
If you went fishing and immediately started reeling in your line the second it touched water, would you still call that fishing? Bullet "chess" is a similarly absurd concept. Once you cross the 1 min or less threshold the game is far more about the clock than about winning a game of chess.
If that were true, the highest rated bullet players here would be kids who play video games. Well, it's possible that Naka and Caruana, and So and all those other titled players at the top of the bullet ratings here are video junkies. But it's far more likely that you're wrong.
Here's the top of the bullet charts here. How many IMs and GMs are at the top of the correspondence charts?
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| Name | Rating | Win | Loss | Draw | Last Online |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
 GM Hikaru |
3110 | 1633 (89%) | 126 (7%) | 67 (4%) | 11 minutes ago |
 GM 2Vladimirovich90 |
2835 | 59 (70%) | 18 (21%) | 7 (8%) | 7 weeks ago |
 GM LyonBeast |
2819 | 340 (85%) | 40 (10%) | 21 (5%) | 35 hours ago |
 GM gmwesley_so |
2819 | 13 (43%) | 14 (47%) | 3 (10%) | 3 weeks ago |
 NM BulletMercenary |
2814 | 98 (59%) | 64 (39%) | 4 (2%) | 22 hours ago |
 GM Genghis_K |
2808 | 314 (65%) | 147 (30%) | 23 (5%) | 4 hours ago |
 GM LiemLe |
2806 | 55 (76%) | 13 (18%) | 4 (6%) | 7 weeks ago |
 IM Yaacovn |
2792 | 9046 (63%) | 4499 (31%) | 922 (6%) | online now! |
 GM EltajSafarli |
2766 | 76 (70%) | 23 (21%) | 9 (8%) | 2 months ago |
 FM wonderfultime |
2760 | 1256 (54%) | 922 (40%) | 146 (6%) | 39 hours ago |
 GM Nouki |
2760 | 8122 (62%) | 4292 (33%) | 725 (6%) | 30 minutes ago |
Sorry, didn't realise copy and paste would mess that up so much.
There are 12 GMs in the top 20 in bullet here. There are 3 in the top 20 in correspondence chess.
Skotheim2 wrote: i keep losing to a guy rated 1700 blitz on here and i am 2000 on here when we play OTB blitz. He won't play me online though.. I beat him in long time controls, and I draw him at rapid.. This is annoying as I have a higher rating on lower time controls.. luckily he loses to some of the other players that i beat which results in me winning the tournaments anyways.
It could be his style and you are having a difficult time adjusting to it. Play sharper and you will win, some player even though they are low rated play well in quiet position but crumble in sharp position. Set up traps, make it very tactical and make his position very uncomfortable, if he the type that moves without thinking he will start to fall apart and playing sharp slow down a player who move the mouse quick.
Sorry, didn't realise copy and paste would mess that up so much.
There are 12 GMs in the top 20 in bullet here. There are 3 in the top 20 in correspondence chess.
To be fair, there aren't that many GMs playing correspondence at all. In your list above only two have games in that format and Nakamura is the only one with any significant number. I looked through the first 12 or so pages of correspondence and only found a few there (down to about 2100 rating).
There's an easy way to see how good a blitz/bullet player is: they can get their games analysed. If they are consistently playing moves that would be good at a slower time limit then they are good players... 
i keep losing to a guy rated 1700 blitz on here and i am 2000 on here when we play OTB blitz. He won't play me online though.. I beat him in long time controls, and I draw him at rapid.. This is annoying as I have a higher rating on lower time controls.. luckily he loses to some of the other players that i beat which results in me winning the tournaments anyways..
He's doing psycology on you, kiss his hand softly before the next game, and say something kinda sweet. <3
you're welcome ;)
Martin that lack of GMs playing correspondence but willingness to play bullet (which some here claim isn't even chess) speaks to the general point that strong players prefer blitz and bullet.
People claiming bullet chess isn't chess are also effectively claiming that the chess played by > 90% of people at any time control isn't chess.
The rules of how the pieces move are exactly the same.
All that is different is the speed, yet Nakamura, Anreikin, Vachier-Lagrave and others player higher quality bullet chess than > 90% of people do however long they have to think of their moves so the argument that it isn't chess doesn't hold up at all.
What you are really saying is there is a quality threshold to what counts as "chess" in that case so most people's chess fails to pass as "chess" since it is worse than some people's bullet chess.
Bullet isn't chess because it's too fast, correspondence isn't chess because its too slow, blitz isn't chess because it is too fast and people cheat, 45 minute chess on a computer isn't chess because people browse the internet between moves. Nothing is chess.
Some titled players play correspondence as if it is blitz. Keep that in mind while considering those with low correspondence ratings. I recently beat an NM whose correspondence rating was close to mine (but USCF 300 higher). He was playing seventy correspondence games to my six.
Martin that lack of GMs playing correspondence but willingness to play bullet (which some here claim isn't even chess) speaks to the general point that strong players prefer blitz and bullet.
Ah. I got into this discussion kind of late (watched it a little early on). I thought you were making a different point 
If I was a GM or professional player, I probably wouldn't have time for correspondence (barely have enough time as a patzer). Blitz and bullet would be a fun way to just try some stuff out without much pressure. So, I can see why those time controls are really popular (with a lot of people). I suck at blitz, though I have fun most of the time and I don't even see how I could do bullet.
I'm tired of people bragging about having '' high '' correspondence chess ratings, yet see thier blitz rating be a measily 1200. Having a 1800+ bullet/blitz rating is more respectable than being a 2000 in Correspondence chess
I'm rating 1850 uscf rating in chess, and my bullet/blitz rating accurately describes it. Correspondence chess is extremely unrealistically long, what tournament in the world will you have more than 2 weeks for a game? If your good at chess, the moves will come to you quick, you dont need 24 hours to analyze.
and it's so easy to cheat in correspodence chess every once in a while, you can look at a chess engince for a couple of moves & it will go unnoticed. But you dont have time to fool around with blitz/bullet.
You're wrong. Bullet is not chess.
Yeah, it's not like you use the same board, the same pieces and the same rules.
I've played enough bullet to know that bad moves win games. I've improved my abilty to make absurd sacrifices in time pressure and win more than I did in the past.
Statistically, the OP is right. Blitz ratings here has a much higher correlation to OTB ratings than correspondence ratings do.
His hypothesis that this is due to cheating has been stated by many others, but there's not enough evidence to support such a claim.
What other reasons are there for the disparity in ratings?
I have decent correspondencerating, and blitz 500 below. There are reasons for it. In correspondence i have the explorersupport, which secures that I dont loose in the start, but the main factor is time. Give me 90 minutes +30 sec pr move and I can both avoid a lot of blunders and do some nice thinking. Give me ten minutes, and I will not have enough time to think well and examine the board good enough.
Its different with the sharp young players. They are much faster, and can also play ok quite fast.
Your rating doesn't represent the standard of your play... it represents your performance (well, your results) relative to the players in that group.
Everyone has the same amount of time in blitz. You have less time than CC, and so does your opponent. In CC you can look at openings, but so can your opponent. So these are not advantages relative to your opponents, so they cannot affect the difference in ratings, only in absolute quality of play.
However nearly everyone's blitz rating is 100s of points lower then their CC. This is because blitz is a tougher pool of players.
What you can say is that because of your age or how much you practice that the difference between your blitz and CC is greater than average.
I was away from chess 38 years,(came back november 2013) so my experience is not big enough to help a lot in blitz, but I gradually feel that the blitzgame is improving. There are less blunders now than it was before. I have lost a lot on time. I never loose on time playing corespondence or longchess.
Blitz is best alternative 3-5 minute game, you still can have quality chess game.
That is very true, When i was new to chess.com (and BRAND new to blitx/bullet chess)after a few games my rating was like 600. Then I kinda got the hang of it and now I'm 750+ Recently I found that blitz included 5 minute games which I'm better at rather than 3 minutes. So yeah... even though I've been called a cheater many a time in my corespondance/standard chess at least now my ratings aren't TOO bad. and those who join 1200 under groups are pretty much definetly not cheaters... whats the use of joining a group just to cheat the next day and get kicked out of it?
and this topic keeps on resting...restarting...resting...restarting... its like poeple come back every 2 months with their new say!
I'm tired of people bragging about having '' high '' correspondence chess ratings, yet see thier blitz rating be a measily 1200. Having a 1800+ bullet/blitz rating is more respectable than being a 2000 in Correspondence chess
I'm rating 1850 uscf rating in chess, and my bullet/blitz rating accurately describes it. Correspondence chess is extremely unrealistically long, what tournament in the world will you have more than 2 weeks for a game? If your good at chess, the moves will come to you quick, you dont need 24 hours to analyze.
and it's so easy to cheat in correspodence chess every once in a while, you can look at a chess engince for a couple of moves & it will go unnoticed. But you dont have time to fool around with blitz/bullet.
You're wrong. Bullet is not chess.
Yeah, it's not like you use the same board, the same pieces and the same rules.
I've played enough bullet to know that bad moves win games. I've improved my abilty to make absurd sacrifices in time pressure and win more than I did in the past.
So have I, but they are still chess moves. I play some incredibly bad movs in online chess too because I'm impatient often and not sufficiently interested in every single game to put the time in. Either way it is still moving a chess piece on a chess board obeying the same rules of chess, whether it is a blatant time-burner move or a move thought about for 30 minutes.
Djonni, this site gives time out protection for premium members. Of course you haven't timed out in cc here. The site has two sets of rules for cc, one for paying members and another for non-paying members. And yes, the site gives plenty of incentives for becoming premium members without making cc a tilted playing field.
Theres not much hope for people who think 1 minute chess and G/2 hours is the same . The rules governing the 2 also differ , they are not the same . The former is much more about speed than the latter , which is much more about actual skill . The stronger titled players prefer blitz/bullet because many of them think its more difficult to cheat at these time controls , most of them also probably dont have the time ( or want to invest it ) to play slow games online .
i keep losing to a guy rated 1700 blitz on here and i am 2000 on here when we play OTB blitz. He won't play me online though.. I beat him in long time controls, and I draw him at rapid.. This is annoying as I have a higher rating on lower time controls.. luckily he loses to some of the other players that i beat which results in me winning the tournaments anyways..