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2mooroo

You keep going back to the author's will..  it's irrelevant because once the book is copied he doesn't own the duplicates.  People create and give away things all the time.  Creating something doesn't give you permanent control over it.  Personal value is subjective but economic value is not. 

A book is just a collection of words.  Which words do you own?  And if you don't own any of the words used in your book how can you claim it's yours?  If I build a log cabin out of someone else's lumber is the cabin mine?

littledragons
2mooroo wrote:

You keep going back to the author's will..  it's irrelevant because once the book is copied he doesn't own the duplicates.  People create and give away things all the time.  Creating something doesn't give you permanent control over it.  Personal value is subjective but economic value is not. 

A book is just a collection of words.  Which words do you own?  And if you don't own any of the words used in your book how can you claim it's yours?  If I build a log cabin out of someone else's lumber is the cabin mine?

There are provisions for fair copy and trade. 

Aetheldred

It is obvious many of you guys know lots more than me about Law. Let me tell you one thing though: when I had my own business, an Academy, I had several police officers as my students, and they told me it was OK to download stuff such as books, movies, music, as long as it was for personal use. I think they told me that pirated software such as Windows if used in a business was ilegal, but if someone asks to inspect your computers, you can always say "no" and by the time they come back with a search warrant or whatever, everything is gone!

This said, I never used anything I didn't pay for in my business.

I hope you understand that even though I work as court interpreter, my knowledge of the law is limited, and the legal systems vary in each country.

littledragons
streetking1986 wrote:
littledragons wrote:
streetking1986 wrote:
 

See 2mooroo - trolls aren't worthless! This is priceless :-)

You mean myth plausible!

 

Yup! In fact, this cannot be debunked - You rule 

Honestly I did try reading it. I think I went for about 5 sentences and then saw how much more I had to go, and it was, No Way!!! I'll just post a funny pic.

streetking1986
littledragons wrote:
streetking1986 wrote:
littledragons wrote:
streetking1986 wrote:
 

See 2mooroo - trolls aren't worthless! This is priceless :-)

You mean myth plausible!

 

Yup! In fact, this cannot be debunked - You rule 

Honestly I did try reading it. I think I went for about 5 sentences and then saw how much more I had to go, and it was, No Way!!! I'll just post a funny pic.

That's the best kind of trolling - funny, off topic and needless yet not in the least offensive...even 2mooroo would have had a chuckle!

littledragons
streetking1986 wrote:
littledragons wrote:
streetking1986 wrote:
littledragons wrote:
streetking1986 wrote:
 

See 2mooroo - trolls aren't worthless! This is priceless :-)

You mean myth plausible!

 

Yup! In fact, this cannot be debunked - You rule 

Honestly I did try reading it. I think I went for about 5 sentences and then saw how much more I had to go, and it was, No Way!!! I'll just post a funny pic.

That's the best kind of trolling - funny, off topic and needless yet not in the least offensive...even 2mooroo would have had a chuckle!

Sometimes when you are struck with the commonsense to say to  yourself, "wait! I don't have to do that!", that is a moment of joy. 

2mooroo

streetking1986

Looks like someone didn't like it. Cool People can't take a little jest without feeling all touchy these days. What's up with the world I wonder... To the OP, I hope you did find your answers somewhere here btw, I mean about the good books; not how to be humorless...

2mooroo

Your humor is fine I just don't like when threads transform into an IM chat room. Anyway good talk I'm seriously untracking this time.

streetking1986

Good day bro!

fancyknightmaneuvers
adypady02 wrote:

David Finkleman turned this to one of the most popular threads on chess.com

True dat

waffllemaster

I wouldn't call a few people spamming off topic stuff popular.

Jamison_Rain
2mooroo wrote:

That's a very nice explanation you have there but I think you are missing the point.  Reading someone else's copyrighted content without paying for it is stealing, correct?  So why is it allowed in some circumstances but not in others?  

Because the copyright holders get to choose which circumstances are which.  And when he chooses to put them in retail outlets, they become available for public sale and perusal at that venue.  Why would he allow that sort of "free perusal" and not others?  Because he believes that one will make him money.

You can justify all you want, and believe you're on sound moral ground all you want.  That's fine.  Doesn't make it legal.  Law and morality aren't always tied that closely together.  Almost never are they that closely tied together for EVERYONE'S interests.

In those countries covered by international copyright agreements, like some guy mentioned above, digital downloads without copyright holder's consent are illegal.

I'm not interested in arguing the morality with you.  I merely gave a correct answer to your question.  I know it's correct because I was an assistant manager at a B&N back in college.

If you want to know if people can download books for free and feel okay about it, that's for you to figure out.

If you want to know if they can do it legally, that's been answered.  The rest is just moral masturbation.

chesskingdreamer
adypady02 wrote:

David Finkleman turned this to one of the most popular threads on chess.com

hey i had to contribute on some pages. But i couldn't really follow the copyright disscussionLaughing

fancyknightmaneuvers

copyright David Finkleman Inc.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
ponz111 wrote:

It is fine to talk about copyright but going by the title of this forum I would say a book for  all rated above 2200 would be The King's Gambit by John Shaw.

This is a massive book with years in the making and makes other King's Gambit books somewhat out of date. 

Any player rated 2200 or better would also like specialty books on whatever openings he/she plays.

Also a very good Rook and Pawns endgame book.  Also even  a book on Pawn Endings, unless he is a GM.

I'm not even expert and can recommend Secrets of Pawn Endings for anyone who has completed either Fundamental Chess Endings or Fine's Basic Chess Endings.  Many strong players and coaches including Capablanca recommend studying endgames.  A person could be an NM, but their skillset could be very middlegame heavy and relatively weak in the endgame.  One shouldn't think they're too good to refresh basic endgames since getting our weakest skills in line with our strengths should come first. 

 

As for opening books I really don't like them too much because most of the games seem to have been played the day before the book was published.  The good thing about Byron and Tait's 1.b3 is they included a couple of Nimzovich games (the book was published in early 00s from the looks of things).  And many of the recent (for the time) games come from famous players, such as Tony Miles and Mark Dvoretsky as white in their respective games.  Tomashevsky-Shalimov and other obscure titled x vs. obscure titled y the day before publication games better be pretty good. 

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Jimmykay wrote:
2mooroo wrote:
Jimmykay wrote:
2mooroo wrote:
 

So if I rob someone's house and give it to poor people it is not stealing because I did not make a profit? The old Robin Hood defense is invalid and shown in court to be incorrect.

I think you are missing the point where theft removes the original and file sharing does not.  The only thing that's being taken away from an author when there book is shared for free is a potential profit.  This is interesting because there are few other times where removing the potential of something is seen as criminal.  For instance if you are the only person to apply for a job you desperately need to support your family and I apply hours before the manager hires you, I have, in a way, stolen that job from you.  Yet it should be quite obvious that no criminal activity has taken place.  I may have stripped you of a job you could really use, but you're no worse off than you were before.  In the same vein if I decide to pack my own sandwich for lunch the sandwich shop next to my office can't sue me.  Seeing how this works now? 

You are wrong. The law is CRYSTAL clear about this. Your analogy is silly.

If you woul like to argue that the law should be CHANGED, that is different, but the courts in the United States have unequivocally ruled that your argument is invalid. That point is simply not open to debate.

While I believe that there's a huge segregation between what's legal and what's morally right (and therefore the courts can be morally wrong such as letting murderers get off due to stand your ground, forbidding gay marriage, which causes no objective harm to anyone and illegalizing weed and ephedra, which deny individual free choice) people should be compensated for their work.  It's universally agreed that slavery is immoral and unjust because it denies proper compensation for one's work (and denies the inherent right of self-ownership).  Authors need to go through relevant games, rely upon their years of experience, and even acid test new ideas. 

rtr1129
Jimmykay wrote:

Go into a Barnes & Noble with a laptop and a scanner, and try scanning some new books to get a free copy. Then say "copying and theft are not the same. That's well established to anyone who can think for themselves" to the police officer as he handcuffs you and drags you to jail.

 

You have things backwards. To prove that copying and theft are the same, you must show that in all cases copying and theft are the same. One anecdotal example proves nothing for your argument. I, on the other hand, have the relatively light burden. I only need to show that copying differs from theft in one instance to prove they are not the same.

 

I will do that for you now. As the song says, if I steal your bicycle, you'll have to take the bus. But if I copy your bicycle, there's one for both of us! That settles it. And with 3D printers, it won't be long before you can literally copy a bicycle.


Now let's take a short break to dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

 

Next up is the issue of morals and ethics. The bicycle manufacturer will complain, "If copying our bicycles is legal, we will go out of business!" That's true, but it doesn't mean it should be illegal. It's not the government's job to ensure that everyone can run a profitable business. It just so happens that those lobbying with large sums of cash and power, influence politicians to make unprofitable actions illegal. The fact that copyright infingement is illegal in most countries has little to do with the moral correctness of copying. This is exactly what the recording and film industries have done. The internet was disruptive to their business models, and they have tried somewhat successfully to get governments to enforce their continued profitability. Eventually that will run out and they will have to change their business model or go by the wayside.

 

Those with little life experience see things in black and white. The more life experience you obtain, the more gray it all becomes. It's easy to label people and judge people, until you live in the same community, and work with them everyday, and see the struggles they deal with and overcome.

 

I know of a guy who was not on a good path (poor, substance abuse, etc), and he got into 3D animation and graphic design. He did this by downloading around $50,000 worth of software for free and teaching himself. Let us compare the before and after. Before we had a guy in poverty, battling substance abuse, probably headed for a life of crime and prison, who was never going to pay $50,000 for computer software. Now we have a successful, happy guy with a wife and children, who contributes to society, and pays his taxes. The 3D animation and graphic design industries have one more guy with skills they need, and who now purchases their software legitimately. It's hard to see how this is not a pure win all around. But you legal nerds want to keep waving your hands.

 

As I said, especially to you law nerds and teenagers, life doesn't play out in a courtroom, and life isn't black and white. Hand waving never changed anything. Well, my wife uses that tactic to get me to take out the trash Smile

 

Personally, I think that if someone who is an expert in theif field spends 1-2 years or more of their life to write a book that you want to read, you should pay them the tiny amount it costs if you are able. But let's not pretend like it's a tragedy when someone copies a book. If you want to fix problems in the world there are at least 10,000 more important problems that could benefit from your help.

Thunder_Penguin

Nice theft essay. I give you an A. (Not A+, A)

Dadg777

Well, so what is a good book for a 2200+ player?  List on pg 1, huh?