Borislav Ivanov is BACK!

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Irontiger wrote:
Sunshiny wrote:
LoekBergman wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:

A friend of mine brings up an interesting point concerning the following:

Ivanov said that he would voluntarily leave the event, requesting that his entry fee be returned as he did not have enough money to return home.

So if Ivanov went to the tournament without enough money to get back home, doesn't that mean he "knew" he was going to finish in the money?


The major problem with that line of reasoning is that you believe a cheater on his words.

That's true, but i think it's possible that someone with a huge ego could intentionally show up without money for a return trip. However, i don't think that person would beg. I also think someone with a huge ego is more likely to lie about not having the money in order to try and get away with something to preserve that ego. This is in line with people that need to verbally abuse the opponent after losing, stalling the game when losing, or applying other similar tactics because of their hurt egos.

It doesn't need a huge ego to try and steal some money "for your return costs" from people who already hold you in low esteem due to being a cheat and a coward. Just a lack of ethics, which you usually already have.

True, there would have to be a lack of ethics. Though i think ego is still involved since if he had won, and the prize was a trophy, i doubt he would claim the winner should get a refund, and he had no money for the return trip.

Another thought came to mind. Did he stiff the hotel or wherever he was staying? Assuming he was telling the truth about not having the money to go home, how was he to pay for the hotel fees since he lost?

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MaxBrowne_NZ wrote:

In most places you pay for your hotel up front.  I don't know how it is in Spain though; I've never stayed at a hotel there.  In France and the Netherlands all the hotels at which I've stayed wanted to get paid up front.

Tournaments last for more than a day, right? So if he was paying for his room on a daily basis, he must've brought at least enough money to pay to last to the end of the tournament. Therefore, he should have had the money to go home.

Irontiger

Come on, the "I have no change to take the bus" story is laughable.

You need to assume that either he had no credit card on him nor any means to draw money from bank account, or he was so broke that he would have been condemned to stay in Spain and grill tapas until he saved enough, should his shoe have a tehnical glitch.

 

Both ways, he is demonstrating a huge level of stupidity. But I think he is more dishonest than stupid and just tried a cheap trick to steal tournament money to save the face when the shoe asks him about his tournament.

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It is laughable, and i agree that he is more dishonest than stupid.

fiddletim

or?...boris ivanov, are you working for a security agency testing out new electronic products? i would think you would want to appear not to have money in order not to blow your cover?  on some level, you have achieved much notoriety...like most of us have not had our names as a heading of a chess.com forum..."Boris Ivanov is BACK".   are you enjoying your life, boris?

Jion_Wansu

LOL, now he's mainstream. I thought this guy was the same Yereslov or something before with the Yereslove opening. Scroll down towards bottom of this and you will see Yereslov:

 

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-f5-opening?page=2

CinziaFerrari

The first new of the new year :

Borislav no longer appears in the official FIDE rating !

( Details on it.hobby-scacchi
http://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/it.hobby.scacchi/KRYI22mNX9g )

gambit-man
CinziaFerrari wrote:

The first new of the new year :

Borislav no longer appears in the official FIDE rating !

( Details on it.hobby-scacchi
http://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/it.hobby.scacchi/KRYI22mNX9g )

Good spot, but your link doesn't work.

Maybe they've finally decided enough is enough...

LegoPirateSenior
gambit-man wrote:
CinziaFerrari wrote:

The first new of the new year :

Borislav no longer appears in the official FIDE rating !

( Details on it.hobby-scacchi
http://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/it.hobby.scacchi/KRYI22mNX9g )

Good spot, but your link doesn't work.

Try this one. The message is on page 5, posted at 3:38 AM.

gambit-man

Cheers LPS.

Unfortunately my Italian isn't very good, and neither is Google translator... but i think i've got the gist.

I do have an Italian-born chess friend who might be able to help out.

I did my own search on FIDE website, there is a Borislav Ivanov with a birth year of 1967. I presume that would be a different player by the same name

LegoPirateSenior

Or just try searching in FIDE players' list for his name. There is another Borislav Ivanov there, born in 1967, hence not the same person. [EDIT: heh, I see you already did while I was typing my stuff. Great minds, et.c. Cool]

Searching for his FIDE ID produces nothing; that ID can be seen in the results from the Zadar tournament.

Curiously, he's registered for an upcoming tournament in Seville

gambit-man
LegoPirateSenior wrote:

Or just try searching in FIDE players' list for his name. There is another Borislav Ivanov there, born in 1967, hence not the same person. [EDIT: heh, I see you already did while I was typing my stuff. Great minds, et.c. ]

Searching for his FIDE ID produces nothing; that ID can be seen in the results from the Zadar tournament.

Curiously, he's registered for an upcoming tournament in Seville

yeah, strange...

Irontiger

Attempt of translation of LPS's link, with [translator's notes in brackets].

"Just after Ivanov's radiation was made public last Wednesday, the Bulgarian forums I [the author] found were filled of references to the BCF regulation, particularly to article 29, paragraph 13. The article says that "the executive board of BCF has the following powers : ... 13. to impose sanctions defined by the Statute [not sure the word exists in English - should mean the set of regulations] for the admission [confession ?] of a conduct incompatible with sports morality of members, athletes [?] and other persons associated to chess."

The forums discussed at length Ivanov's behaviour, his statements to the media and such, and one wondered wether he could be done for by the federal Organ [local federation ? the BCF ?] using that article.

However, there is a novelty, naming that pornographic video featuring as main character someone who seems to be Ivanov. And I [author again] think the BCF could act on the basis of immoral conduct, if this was to be found. [I never heard of such a thing before]

I could not understand, maybe du to translation problems [lol] the term "admission" in paragraph 13, the movie's star does not seem worried to be caught [this one is admitedly a shot in the dark - google translate did not help much], and that could be decisive."

 

(original follows)

Immediatamente dopo che mercoledì della scorsa settimana è stato reso pubblico il provvedimento di radiazione inflitto a Ivanov, nei forum bulgari ho trovato menzionato diverse volte lo Statuto della Federazione Scacchistica Bulgara, con particolare riferimento al comma 13 dell'articolo 29. 

Tale articolo inizia con "Il Consiglio Direttivo della Federazione Scacchistica Bulgara ha i seguenti poteri" 

al comma 13 recita "Impone le sanzioni previste dallo Statuto per l'ammissione di condotta incompatibile con la moralità sportiva di soci, atleti e altri personaggi associati al movimento scacchistico [...]". 

Oggetto delle discussioni nei forum erano, ovviamente, i comportamenti di Ivanov (le sue dichiarazioni ai media e altro) e ci si chiedeva se potesse essere a buon titolo applicata nei suoi confronti la norma di cui sopra da parte dell'Organo federale. 

Ora però c'è una novità, ossia il fatto che è saltato fuori questo video pornografico il cui protagonista sembra essere Borislav. E se ciò venisse accertato, penso che la Federazione bulgara potrebbe agire (magari mi sbaglio) su questa base con un'accusa di condotta immorale. 

Non mi è chiaro, più che altro per problemi di traduzione, quel termine "ammissione" contenuto nel comma 13 ma, in ogni caso, il protagonista del filmato di certo non appare inconsapevole di essere ripreso. 
E questo potrebbe essere decisivo! 

Aetheldred

OMG I'm actually going to meet the guy in person. He's probably going to play a friend of mine, Roberto Pérez García.

Crazychessplaya

To be honest, I was hoping for a "non ritorni mai piu", as the Italians say.

Irontiger
Aetheldred wrote:

OMG I'm actually going to meet the guy in person.

Please, do not forget to accidentally misstep on his Shoedini if you can.

Aetheldred
Irontiger wrote:
Aetheldred wrote:

OMG I'm actually going to meet the guy in person.

Please, do not forget to accidentally misstep on his Shoedini if you can.

LOL If the situation gets violent, I'll just go with the majority ;)

LegoPirateSenior
Irontiger wrote:

Attempt of translation of LPS's link, with [translator's notes in brackets]....

??? Not that post. That one, currently showing up as the first post on Jan 2nd:

Original:

Prima novità dell'anno nuovo: 

Borislav non compare più nel rating della FIDE ! 

Un po' strano... 

Il provvedimento sanzionatorio contro di lui era stato adottato dalla Federazione bulgara (e non da quella mondiale) o mi sfugge qualcosa? 

Se si fa una ricerca con "search" sul sito della Fide l'ultimo, anzi l'unico!, oggetto risultante su "Borislav Ivanov" è il file del 18 dicembre 2013 - ore 12:10 dal titolo "FIDE's position in respect of the Ivanov case" 

http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/7611-fides-position-in-respect-of-the-ivanov-case.html 

da me qui già postato alle ore 14:09 del giorno 18 stesso. 

Per sicurezza, ho fatto la ricerca anche mettendo solo "Ivanov" (senza il nome): escono 50 risultati ma l'unico che riguarda Borislav è appunto quello suddetto. 

Ma allora... non c'è, come spesso su questo ragazzo, qualcosa di un po' strano? 

E' troppo chiedere a questi signori i quali chiedono trasparenza a Ivanov di essere a loro volta trasparenti, nonchè chiari, soprattutto in relazione al fatto che rappresentano Organi di Autorità ufficiali? 

E' chiedere troppo??

Google translation (I cannot comment on the quality, but seems quite readable):

Before news of the new year: 

Borislav no longer appears in the FIDE rating! 

A little 'strange ... 

The sanction against him had been adopted by the Bulgarian Federation (rather than global) or am I missing something? 

If you do a search with "search" on the site of the last Fide, indeed the only one!, Resulting object to "Borislav Ivanov" is the file of December 18, 2013 - 12:10 pm titled "FIDE's position in respect of the Ivanov case " 

I already posted here at 14:09 the same day 18. 

To be safe, I have done the research also putting only "Ivanov" (without the name): 50 results out but the only one that is precisely what concerns Borislav said. 

But then ... there is not, as so often on this guy, something a little 'strange? 

And 'too much to ask these gentlemen who demand transparency in Ivanov to be transparent in their turn, as well as clear, especially in relation to the fact that they represent the official organs of authority? 

And 'too much to ask? 

sisu
Aetheldred wrote:

OMG I'm actually going to meet the guy in person. He's probably going to play a friend of mine, Roberto Pérez García.

Take the largest strongest magnet you can find, and put it under his table. If he can walk away after that, he's a bigger man than we think Wink

Aetheldred
sisu wrote:
Aetheldred wrote:

OMG I'm actually going to meet the guy in person. He's probably going to play a friend of mine, Roberto Pérez García.

Take the largest strongest magnet you can find, and put it under his table. If he can walk away after that, he's a bigger man than we think

LOL Sadly, I will be in Africa on a business trip until the 15th, but I hope I will still be in time if he hasn't been disqualified by then.

There's a good chance I get to talk to him, me being  a professional interpreter of English and having influencial friends in the Seville Federation. If they need to talk to him, chances are they will ask for my help, provided he speaks English :)