Borislav Ivanov is BACK!

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Bradypus
-waller- wrote:
Bradypus wrote:

I don't need hard evidence, but if you are going to make accusations, at least try to provide a plausible and verifiable explanation on the technique and methods you think are used. It is not enough to just say: "you can use your toes to send signals to the motion detector in the phone. Little wiggles will do it".

I'm not sure what you think is implausible about the method given in the article - maybe clarify? It seems pretty plausible to me. As for verifiable, they told Ivanov to remove his shoes, and he refused point blank to do so, even in the face of a forfeit - I'm not aware of any other realistic reasons as to why he would do so, unless he was afraid of what they would find.

I just don't see how you can accurately send moves with your toes while there is a smartphone in your shoe. I think the phone is to tight to your foot to operate well enough. I can imagine all kinds of thing to improve on the simple "phone in shoe idea" but none of that is in the article.

By verifiable I meant, reproduce the theory in real life, try it out.

sapientdust
Irontiger wrote:

Yeah, his socks really smell so hard. He wouldn't break his reputation with the ladies for a mere $5000.

He has Smelly Sock Syndrome. It's a rare psychological condition in which the patient over many years develops such a fear of people realizing how much his socks smell that the fear overrides all higher cognitive processes, making it absolutely impossible for the sufferer to remove his shoes or otherwise risk people smelling his socks. He couldn't take off his shoes for a billion dollars or if his life depended on it. It also commonly manifests as an irrational fear of people getting close to your shoes or even looking at them for an extended period of time from a distance.

Of course, if the sufferer is given plenty of advance notice, then he can do special preparations on his feet and socks (too expensive and irritating to the skin to do always) so that he is able to remove his shoes on some particular occasion.

fburton
Bradypus wrote:

I don't need hard evidence, but if you are going to make accusations, at least try to provide a plausible and verifiable explanation on the technique and methods you think are used. It is not enough to just say: "you can use your toes to send signals to the motion detector in the phone. Little wiggles will do it".

It shouldn't be too difficult for someone motivated enough to expose the cheating to show that it can be done relatively straightforwardly.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
MSC157 wrote:

If only that would be an Armstrong-like-cheating. Just engines instead of drugs.  

I don't think Armstrong really cheated as he used his own athleticism to win.  Saying steroids is cheating is like saying reading chess books is cheating, both contribute to athleticism and chess ability respectively.  Now, if he rode his bike during the New York Marathon, that would be more comparable to engine use. 

Scottrf

Cheating=breaking the rules. He broke the rules, so how exactly did Armstrong not cheat?

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Cheating is using outside help or shortcuts to obtain an advantage.  The steroid ban really isn't logical as people still need to train hard to maintain or improve their abilities.  With advances in medicine come overall improvements in sports performances.  It's one reason why Babe Ruth today would only be in the minor leagues. 

Scottrf

Steroids are outside help or shortcuts. Of course it's logical to ban something with long term health risks.

Your opinion on whether it's cheating doesn't mean much seeing as it's fact, not subjective.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

 

The strength gained becomes a part of the individual himself though and helps him put food on his table.  Part of progress is things that used to be an advantage now level the playing field.  Jobs that used to require a high school diploma now require at least a four year degree.  The days of surgeons and lawyers having a high school degrees only have been long gone for over a century because new knowledge keeps accruing. If it takes steroids to be world class, then that's what people will do.  I'm not saying I like it, but that's how the tide goes. 

 

Even if I’m wrong I’m not falling into the majority knows best trap. 

 

Scottrf

It has nothing to do with majority knows best, it was breaking the rules, therefore cheating. Whether the rules were correct is another matter entirely.

They obviously are though, I can't understand why anyone would want athletes (even children) being allowed to take cocktails of drugs, some of which are illegal and a lot of which have major health risks.

chiaroscuro62

"Even if I’m wrong I’m not falling into the majority knows best trap"

I will, however, fall into the "he could have cheated more blatantly so he didn't cheat" trap. 

I mean, c'mon, guys.  Look at all the things he didn't do.  For instance, he didn't have Pantani whacked until after Pantani retired.  That was fair, I think.

duck29

vibrations is unlikely because even though the virations might be on low and the room might be noisy, if the room quiets down people will definetly hear it so he probably has a tapper attached to his phone which taps morse code onto his foot (we already decided hes an expert programmer).

either way this is unlikely because,

1)theres around 50 moves in a game thats alot of morse taps and make one mistake about a morse tap and the gm will crush him.

2) hed have to walk pretty weirdly to be able to walk around without crushing his phone.

3) that he didnt want to remove his shoes doesnt mean anything, maybe he has a dreaded disease!

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ScorpionPackAttack wrote:

I don't think Armstrong really cheated as he used his own athleticism to win. 

Wow, you really don't know much about how Armstrong cheated. Read this book, it's all spelled out in detail.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Race-Inside-Hidden/dp/034553042X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380903292&sr=8-1&keywords=hamilton%2C+taylor

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ScorpionPackAttack wrote:

Cheating is using outside help or shortcuts to obtain an advantage.  The steroid ban really isn't logical as people still need to train hard to maintain or improve their abilities.  With advances in medicine come overall improvements in sports performances.  It's one reason why Babe Ruth today would only be in the minor leagues. 

Cheating = Breaking the rules is more accurate. Your definition would mean training is also cheating since it could be considered a shortcut to obtain a winning advantage. Actually, any type of health care would be considered cheating. 

Even by your own definition, a steroid ban is logical since steroids is a shortcut to obtain a winning advantage. Though players must still train hard, the steroids allow players to reach higher levels faster, and possibly even beyond what they're normally capable of reaching.

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LoveYouSoMuch wrote:

loool there we go - we have all this evidence "beyond reasonable doubt", but ivanov still never came close to admitting, so we'll see more of ivanov apologists for a while and, uh, whatever. :D

QFT.

Mackzchess

Excuse of the year :- "my socks smell" 

:D :D :D

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$5000 should be more than enough to fix that problem.

GMVillads

Oh No! Not that cheater Again

InfiniteFlash

Fck this maggety a$$ piece of sh! T, he robbed people of money

Irontiger
Bradypus wrote:

I just don't see how you can accurately send moves with your toes while there is a smartphone in your shoe. I think the phone is to tight to your foot to operate well enough. (...)

In the XIXth century (the photography killed it a bit), spiritism was fashionable in Paris. The medium would conjure up spirits who would write on a blackboard message from the underworld (one of the many variants). Many skeptics attended sessions for the sake of finding out the way it was done and were mystified.

Some of those "mediums" were actually writing with their feet in a perfectly clear writing, and relatively quick as they had to get out of their shoes, grab the chalk that was hidden somewhere and then put back the shoes after having "called the spirits". (EDIT : of course, all of that while you have to distract the two attendants who are watching your hands carefully)

 

(source : Thirteen steps to mentalism, Tony Corinda)

If it is possible to write with your feet, I doubt it is really hard to tap two buttons and send Morse code to the program.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
WHY_YES_I_CHEAT wrote:

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE. T(n) TESTS, PV READINGS AND COMPARING Z-SCORES etc ARENT MATHEMATICAL PROOFS AND NO COURT WOULD ACCEPT IT!

 

THIS IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE, CHEATER OR NOT, WHEN URE *RAPED* BY A TEAM OF GMS, AND OFFICIALS.

 

:P

Looks like Borislav is stopping by to say hello!