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batgirl

It sometimes pays to check (non-chessically) whether the person you're talking about is a boy or a girl.

I was doing some research and come across this funny chess-related anectdote from The Biographical Encyclopedia of Composers, 2007,  By David Mason Greene:

PHILIDOR, Anne-Danican
OBOIST, CONDUCTOR, CONCERT PROMOTER
BORN: Paris, April 11, 1681
DIED:   Paris, October 8, 1728

     A feminist wrtier recently listed Anne Philidor in a rundown of Great Women Composers. 
     Evidently, she neglected to look at the musician's biography which would have told her that this particular Anne was every but as male as Marie-Joseph Canteloube.  (The odd name came from his godfather, Anne, Duke of Noailles, who in the 1690s backed court productions of three pastorals by the teenage Philidor. )  Anne was the son of the elder Andre Danican Philidor, and was the much older half-brother (by forty-five years!) of the chess-playing Francois-Andre Danican Philidor.  He played in all the royal organizations - stable, chapel and chamber.
     In 1725 he founded the Concert Spirituel, which until the Revolution offered religious and instrumental music to subscription audiences.  He conducted these concerts during the last two years of his short life, and in 1727 also inaugurated the Concerts Francais, which did not long survive him.  He left a few manuscript religious compositions and 2 books of pieces for melody instrument and continuo, from which contemporary artists have recorded a D-minor sonata.

 

In a somewhat forced-related vein, I stumpled over a second interesting item about Philidor in Letters of Samuel Johnson, LL.D  1892, by Samuel Johnson:


Baretti Baretti has told his musical scheme to B *____, and B*_____ will neither grant the question nor deny. He is of opinion, that if it does not fail it will succeed, but if it does not succeed he conceives it must fail.
It is good to speak dubiously about futurity. It is likewise not amiss to hope.


* "Burney: The musical scheme was the Carmen Seculare, that brought me £150 in three nights, and three times as much to Philidor, whom I got to set it to music. It would have benefited us both, if Philidor had not  proved a scoundrel, greatly more than those sums."  
Baretti: "The Carmen Seculare of Horace, had this year been set to musick, and performed as a publick entertainment in London, for the joint benefit of Monsieur Philidor and Signor Baretti."  (Life, iii, 373)

Philidor was famous as a chess player. He came to England in 1771 with an introduction to Dr. Burney from Diderot. (The Early Diary of Frances Burney, i. 116.)

For the record, the "Burney" mentioned above is indeed a male, but the diary is that of his daughter, Frances. Here's what The Early diary of Frances Burney, 1768-1778 by By Fanny Burney had to say about Philidor:
The famous Philidor,* so much celebrated for his surprising skill at the game of Chess, is just come to England. . . . He brought my father a letter of recommendation from the celebrated M. Diderot.  He is going to have a new edition, with considerable amendments and additions, of a book upon Chess, which he wrote formerly in England. A plan of his work M. Diderot has drawn up for him; but he had got it most vilely translated, .... my father had the patience, from the good-natured benevolence of his heart, to translate it for him himself. M. Philidor is a well-bred, obliging, and very sociable man; he is also a very good musician.

* Francois Andre Philidor, who is still remembered as a writer on chess, as well as a great chess player, was, in the words of Dr. Burney, (in I771) * composer of music, who "drinks hard at the Italian fountain." "The French (Burney adds), are much indebted to M. Philidor for being among the first to betray them into a toleration of Italian music, by adopting French words to it, and afterwards by imitating the Italian style in several comic operas, which have had great success."

batgirl

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Vance917

Didn't Johnny Cash have a song about that?  A Boy Named Sue?

batgirl

Yes, Sue was Philidor's other brother.

Vance917

Alice Cooper?  Alice in Chains?  Jane's Addiction?

batgirl

exactly... look before you leap.... or whatever.

batgirl

I take it Philidor isn't an item of interest at chess.com  :-D

ivandh

It goes both ways, Justin Bieber for example

batgirl

That makes no sense here.

ivandh

You posted about a man named Anne, I replied about a girl named Justin, who also happens to be a musician (such as the term is misused nowadays).

ColdCoffee

I am lost....

Back to my cave....

batgirl

Justin Beiber isn't a girl.

ivandh
batgirl wrote:

Justin Beiber isn't a girl.


Yes he is

batgirl
LisaV wrote
My thoughts zipped to Thailand where there is an accepted "third gender," namely men who look, dress, even date as fabulously gorgeous women. 

What arouses my curiosity is how you knew they were men.

orangehonda
ivandh wrote:
batgirl wrote:

Justin Beiber isn't a girl.


Yes she is


manavendra
orangehonda wrote:
ivandh wrote:
batgirl wrote:

Justin Beiber isn't a girl.


Yes she is



He is, She isn't.

airbus

From composer/music area : Carl Maria von Weber and Marilyn Manson. Last one is a constructed artist name. Not always easy to know. And sometimes you cannot even tell by looking. Fortunately we can just ask...

kenneth67

In South Africa we have the problem of one Caster Semenya (world class runner) - the whole (mis)management of her (?) life and career has been tragic to say the least, with smoke and mirrors playing a big part in her becoming a political football.

BishopBerkeley

I once saw Evelyn Waugh named on a list of great female writers :) Perhaps we should balance this by naming George Sand on a list of great male writers :D

Somehow I think the song "Lola" has a role to play in all this, though I'm not quite sure exactly what it is:

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/mcfly/lola.html

"Girls will be boys and boys will be girls

It’s a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for lola

Lo-lo-lo-lo lola...."

Best wishes....

batgirl

Exactly, your Excellency.

Evelyn Waugh and George Sand are perfect examples.  Names are funny I guess. I know the famous Confederate raider, the lawer John Singleton Mosby had a son named Beverly.  Different times, different customs.  But it does pay to check.