To the OP, you troll thread isn't very good really. Maybe on your next subject try "stalemate is not a draw."
Calculation ability is 100% genetic
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condude2 wrote:
Are you saying you can't close your eyes and picture a chessboard? What about a board after 1. e4?
I can sort of do blindfold. In relatively closed positions, I can relatively easily picture pieces, it's just when a piece moves to an open space on the board (e.g. e4 e5 Bc4, the Bishop on c4 will disappear from my mind eventually.) that I have trouble. I couldn't get past the first 6 or so moves when I was around 1500, but eventually you'll figure it out. It's also partially based on positional evaluation. If you know the area each piece has power over it helps. That's also a huge difference between 1500 and 1800 in a normal game too.
No I can't. I can't even imagine a completed game of tic tac toe. I guarantee you I've played more than you as well.
kco wrote:
To the OP, you troll thread isn't very good really. Maybe on your next subject try "stalemate is not a draw."
It's not a troll... I honestly thought more people would be able to relate. Are you another one of those super talented low rated people that can play blindfold but for some reason are still low rated?
My belief is that chess needs to start when you are young. Not just chess, but any other skill or talent. There is a "magic" when you are young that cannot be duplicated in adults, at least in the vast majority of adults. It has something to do with the brain neurons and its functioning. It's different in children, and these neural pathways are not set in children.
If the child loves chess, all the better. It's like a duck taking to water.
Fiveofswords wrote:
Burgerboy420 wrote:
There are so many deluded people in this thread. Hey guys you can do anything you set your mind to as long as you work hard and never give up right? LOL. There are people that CANNOT visualize the pieces in their head no matter they try, just like a colourblind person will never see specific colours. It's just REALITY. No amount of optimistic thinking will change REALITY.
It's funny how many 1500s have said they learnt blindfold. If you are 1500 and can play blindfold you are extremely talented and you're either a beginner (in which case you didn't learn) or you're lying.
im pretty sure that everyone agrees that there are limits to what you can accomplish with 'hard work' (personally i think much of the work involved isnt actually hard. there does exist hard work like memorizing lots of moves that do not help you improve). the question is how much you can accomplish. i dont think 1500 is a ceiling for anyone with a normal brain. i dont think playing blindfold chess is more difficult a task than learning language in fact...which is something you expect anyone to be able to do if they try.
The difference is that the ability to learn languages is absolutely required to survive as a human and it's been selected for in human evolution. So obviously everyone can do it.
I'm sure you think playing blindfold is easy because you're just talented.
Nov 21, 2015
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I have a player rated U1500 here who has asked to learn how to play blindfold. That student has had one lesson with me and can already see more than ten moves without moving the pieces. We'll be working on improving his blindfold skills next week.
Almost anyone who is sufficiently motivated can learn to play blindfold chess.
Fiveofswords wrote:
visual memory and spatial reasoning is im sure also extremely important for survival especially in the natural state of humans..imagine being a hunter gatherer in the wilderness before things like roads signs and pizza delivery existed. this is a talent i would expect everyone has its simply dormant because we dont need it as much
The average person doesn't have good enough visual memory or spatial reasoning to play high level chess which requires you calculate in your head. Some do, and that's why they're high rated... No one ever needed to play chess to survive.
SmyslovFan wrote:
I have a player rated U1500 here who has asked to learn how to play blindfold. That student has had one lesson with me and can already see more than ten moves without moving the pieces. We'll be working on improving his blindfold skills next week.
Almost anyone who is sufficiently motivated can learn to play blindfold chess.
Lol ok buddy go advertise your coaching lessons somewhere else
Nov 21, 2015
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Burgerboy, the proof that you're wrong is that people who are U1500 (the group you said couldn't learn blindfold chess) are indeed learning to play blindfold chess.
If you are truly interested in learning how to play blindfold, send me a message.
SmyslovFan wrote:
Burgerboy, the proof that you're wrong is that people who are U1500 (the group you said couldn't learn blindfold chess) are indeed learning to play blindfold chess.
If you are truly interested in learning how to play blindfold, send me a message.
I never said they couldn't play blindfold, the fact that they learnt it at such a low rating IN ONE LESSON just shows that they already had the ability and they are just talented. If you have been playing for years and and still can't play blindfold you will NEVER learn how to do it.
Nov 21, 2015
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Do you have someone in mind when you say that person could never learn to play blindfold?
If a person knows how to play chess, knows algebraic notation and is really interested in learning, that person can indeed learn to play blindfold!
The pool of people who are "genetically" incapable of learning to play blindfold is shrinking with every post.
Nov 21, 2015
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#73
Btw, I just want to make clear: some people do take longer to learn to play blindfold than others. But as long as they are motivated to learn, they can be taught.
SmyslovFan wrote:
Do you have someone in mind when you say that person could never learn to play blindfold?
If a person knows how to play chess, knows algebraic notation and is really interested in learning, that person can indeed learn to play blindfold!
The pool of people who are "genetically" incapable of learning to play blindfold is shrinking with every post.
The average person doesn't have the skills to EVER play blindfold (including myself) it's easy to lie on the internet, I bet everyone here will probably say they have a 140 IQ as well. When are you going to learn this?
If you think genetics doesn't matter go teach a dog to play and I will believe you.
is this a genetic too?
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/premove-the-funniest-one-on-bullet
Nov 21, 2015
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Burgerboy420 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
Do you have someone in mind when you say that person could never learn to play blindfold?
If a person knows how to play chess, knows algebraic notation and is really interested in learning, that person can indeed learn to play blindfold!
The pool of people who are "genetically" incapable of learning to play blindfold is shrinking with every post.
The average person doesn't have the skills to EVER play blindfold (including myself) it's easy to lie on the internet, I bet everyone here will probably say they have a 140 IQ as well. When are you going to learn this?
If you think genetics doesn't matter go teach a dog to play and I will believe you.
You got me. I can't teach a dog to play blindfold. Now, if that dog already knew how to play chess and knew algebraic notation....
Burgerboy420 wrote:
If you have been playing for years and and still can't play blindfold you will NEVER learn how to do it.
And your proof is what? Because you can't nobody can.
msiipola wrote:
Burgerboy420 wrote:
If you have been playing for years and and still can't play blindfold you will NEVER learn how to do it.
And your proof is what? Because you can't nobody can.
And what is your proof of opposite? I'm sure people are different. Someone can learn painting, someone can't. Someone can learn musical instrument, someone can't.
IAmAquarius wrote:
You should read Andrew Soltis's "what it takes to become a chess master". Soltis doesn't believe its even "just" calculation, "just" theory, or "just" anything, that holds players back. You should read it and maybe you'll understand what I mean.
Could you give me the link to that, please?
Nov 22, 2015
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PedroMAlves wrote:
IAmAquarius wrote:
You should read Andrew Soltis's "what it takes to become a chess master". Soltis doesn't believe its even "just" calculation, "just" theory, or "just" anything, that holds players back. You should read it and maybe you'll understand what I mean.
Could you give me the link to that, please?
http://www.amazon.com/Takes-Become-Chess-Master-Batsford/dp/1849940266
Are you saying you can't close your eyes and picture a chessboard? What about a board after 1. e4?
I can sort of do blindfold. In relatively closed positions, I can relatively easily picture pieces, it's just when a piece moves to an open space on the board (e.g. e4 e5 Bc4, the Bishop on c4 will disappear from my mind eventually.) that I have trouble. I couldn't get past the first 6 or so moves when I was around 1500, but eventually you'll figure it out. It's also partially based on positional evaluation. If you know the area each piece has power over it helps. That's also a huge difference between 1500 and 1800 in a normal game too.